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1982 LMC LD Zn. Looks Like DDO.

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 Posted 05/30/2022  12:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am comparing to VV-002, WDDO-004, or perhaps CC 1DO-001.
There does appear to be extra thickness on "Liberty" for sure compared to normal examples. The bottom right of the "I" and the bottom right of the first vertical in the "R" looks right. Motto seems close as well.
Any markers are faint at the best. Could be remnants of vertical scratches at Lincolns shoulder. Hard to tell. Also seeing the vertical scratches in the "M" of AMERICA on the reverse, faintly.
Wish images were better, but about the best I could provide.
In advance, thanks for looking.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
Again, I wish the images were better.
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 Posted 05/30/2022  12:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coop, you would be the go to guy for side by sides or over and under. I am not that high speed.
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 Posted 05/30/2022  12:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Also, notice the MAD on the obverse.
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 Posted 05/30/2022  4:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I'll try to address this as best as I can (and hope I get most of it correct).
1. Yes this is a very slight MAD coin - not enough to raise the value.
2. The weak strike on the reverse over the 'STA" of States and the 'E of E Pluribus Unum is due to the obverse device (the shoulder) taking up the material to fill the die and not leaving enough to fill the reverse.
Those were easy. Now for the DDO you are posting about:
Well, sorry, I'm not just seeing any on this coin.
With VV WDDO-002 the doubling appears as North/South. Notice how the top of say the GO of GOD is thicker at the top and bottom as apposed to E/W. Yours's looks normal with not apparent thickening
However, I'm surprised you didn't post up any images of the date.
I'm not sure, but the 2 in the date looks doubled - whether this is MD or a simple reflection, I cannot tell. But from the image of the full obverse it looks like there is some separation.
Edited by Dearborn
05/30/2022 4:40 pm
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 Posted 05/30/2022  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think Dearborn nailed it on all counts.
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 Posted 05/30/2022  8:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dearborn, thanks for the response. As far as the MAD goes I only mentioned it because I confused it with CC DO-002, which mentions it as a descriptor for that variety. It had nothing to do with increased value concerns. I know that minor MADS are of no value.
Also, I am aware of the reason for the reverse weakness. It is common in that area to be sure. However, it was not a concern of mine in this post. But since you brought it up, what appears to be FFD may have added to the weakness here as well. Maybe.
Also, a close up of the date was not included as there is no mention of a spread in the date in any description. I include one here for you regardless.
And finally, the references are WDDO-004, VV 002, and CC 1DO-003. All the same variety I believe. Extra thickness especially the LIB verticals. Lesser in the motto decreasing clockwise. The extra thickness in Liberty was the first thing I noticed when examining this coin, which led my to the references which made my think it could be a match. Especially since there was a slight presence of the die scratches in the M of America.
Perhaps closer scrutiny of the question posited here might lead to a different conclusion rather than focusing on matters that are of no concern to me.
If it is not a DDO, then so be it. I don't do this to get rich and never mention value yet it is often the first thing exspessed in responses. Or I should say the lack there of.
Thanks anyways.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
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 Posted 05/31/2022  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I was sure hoping for a few more opinions here. But it does not look likely. If the LIB does not appear to have extra thickness as shown in the attributions listed, then I need to start new hobby.
I am trying to sharpen my eye, then compare to known examples, and ask for opinions here lastly when I feel stumped.
It seems I would get more interest in my questions if I did this in reverse order. Or, I could purchase a real nice known variety or error and submit it for your praises.
A single opinion that does not primarily pertain to my original inquiry seems to me to be hardly definitive with an "I second the motion". No more respone required.
It seems especially disheartening when, as a result of the knowledge that I have gained following this forum, I ask fewer questions here and do not waste your time with the questions you get day after day asking the same thing.
Based on the knowledgeable response I did get, and the I second the motion, I will just recycle this one.
This even shows the MD on the horizontal of the L on the right.
So, this is not worthy of opinions. I get it.
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 Posted 05/31/2022  10:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well this one is a large date zinc cent. Just got to this post this evening. The obverse die is fresher than the reverse die in this die marriage.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
Just a normal die example. Here are the side by sides.
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05/31/2022 10:48 pm
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 Posted 06/01/2022  07:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tanks for chiming in Coop. MD is not evident on this coin @ Liberty as your comparison has.
Maybe you could do an over under of the image attached. This is the one I used to compare.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
1982-LMC-LD-Zn.--Looks-Like-DDO.
They do appear similar to me.
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 Posted 06/01/2022  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But the die fairly fresh. That is what you are seeing more of on this coin. No spread. Just a normal die.
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