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1943-S 5 Cent Help With Surface Authenticity And Grade.

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 Posted 07/09/2022  11:08 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I don't think iv posted this one before but if so please just fuse the topics as my photo skills have gotten a little better. I don't know how to judge these War Nickels with there weird metal composition.

Id guess in the EF range. But also kind of looks weakly struck.




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 Posted 07/09/2022  12:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks AU-55 details, cleaned.
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 Posted 07/09/2022  12:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree AU-55 sharpness, unsure if cleaned.
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The surfaces on this have me confused, the odd toning raises questions as well, but this is the only War Nickel I have ever seen so idk how these look normally
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I'm going to stick my neck way out on this one . AU-63 weakly struct Monticello building . I really don't see any wear on this Nickel . In my opinion , how it was stored made it look the way it does.
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 Posted 07/09/2022  5:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I Wana say your guessing AU 53 but sticking your neck way out could be MS63 lol. It seems to be in good shape and very clear fields, the surfaces and toning are odd compared to what I'm used to seeing with coins but with the unique metal composition of these idk how to judge. I think it cost like 4$ after shipping, I just wanted a War Nickel when I purchased it.

Another thing that throws me off is based on what looks like wear but very few contact marks and almost full steps imo(if I could post a close up it's just a weak looking last step with possible slight wear.
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Looks like hairlines running northeast across the obverse, Au Detauls
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Maybe it was lightly cleaned and re toned? I don't see obviouse signs of cleaning in hand. I was thinking more over dipped if it is details.

I don't think grade matters much with these unless in high MS, I think it looks nice and for 4$ I can't complain considering most Americain coins cost me closer to 20$ shipping if I decided to get them lol.

So seems the summary so far is AU details. I'm still curious about the strike itself, don't think I'll label this one but keep it as a nice toner piece(imo).
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 Posted 07/09/2022  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This photo was taken in natural daylight and is a good representation of what the coin looks like in hand. I still struggle with grading US coins and this one is just confusing. I don't think it's MS but see no signs of obviouse wear and very few marks on the coin it self. As T-BOP said the Monticello looks very weakly struck, the stairs seem to be fairly well struck though.
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I don't see any hairlines (?), just a trace of softness and a bit of apparent rub on Monticello to suggest this circulated briefly.
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 Posted 07/09/2022  8:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't tried to soak this in acetone at all yet some of the toning looks more green then I'd like(at least in the pictures)

After a little bath I'll post new pics. The obverse looks much more appealing the the reverse. I'm still working on my photo and lighting quality but it always end up being natural light outside that gives me the best results.
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 Posted 07/09/2022  10:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JTCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A acetone bath would be a good idea. I agree with above comments, AU.
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if these photos are true then I have to agree. the surfaces just dont look original. I've never seen a war-time nickel with this look. several red spots on both sides that are faded out along with the dull and marked fields are leading me to believe the coin was cleaned somehow.

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 Posted 07/10/2022  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So first pictures taken outside in natural light, these new ones are taken inside with natural light, idk what's a better representation. They almost don't even look like the same coin, like comparing in hand to true view the sunlight in the first picture brings out some weird colours.




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I say AU-53
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 Posted 07/10/2022  08:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One major thing I have noticed is that aside from the Monticello looking weakly struck it almost looks like the left side is warped like it took many hits the lines are not straight in the design but I don't see contact hits that would have shifted the metal. The Monticello also almost has full steps(I can show a close up if needed) but the rest of the design lacks detail and is warped.

I checked the weight and it was 5.06g. I'll accept AU as the grade, it's better then what I guessed lol and it's a fairly common coin from what I can tell, this one just has me confused because of the reverse. Maybe I should list it in the error forum and see if the error experts can tell me more. I know nothing about War Nickels and have had this for a while but I have recently been going through my old coins since I have not been purchasing the last couple of months.
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