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2021 P 1c Lincoln Shield Cent New DDO (Strong Thickness On Erty)

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2021 P 1c Lincoln Shield Cent- New DDO - Lite on Date Strong thickness on ERTY

Here's another Lincoln Shield cent I couldn't find on DD or CC. (VV doesn't have any for the year.)
One to keep an eye out for if you like roll searching. You'll really like the thickness if you happen to stumble across this one.

Date has some minor thickness on the 20.

LIBERTY on the other hand is much more pronounced especially the left arm of the Y. The bottoms show an angle as well, that Wexler refers to as notching.

DoubledDies.com (8 listed Varieties)- http://doubleddie.com/2586937.html

CopperCoins.com (3 Listed Varieties)- http://coppercoins.com/diesearch.php

VV- None listed

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nice find - I really like the top of the 'T' and the skinny right arm of the 'Y'
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very nice Petespockets55

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Thanks everyone.
This was one of those easy-to-spot ones in change given to me by Bud (I think?).

And to think some older collectors on another forum don't like "modern" doubled dies from our current single squeeze era and suggest it's "just MD on the working hub" and therefore not a true doubled die.
(I had to scratch my head about those comments!)
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Good eye!
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On the single squeeze dies the devices will show more of a distortion on the devices, rather than the old fashioned spread. This one shows both, distortion and spread. Nice DDO. (Not sure what the last image with the arrows was for?)
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That's a real nice one sick.
I think the reason the old timers consider it "md" is bc they are just using the md definition to describe what's happening since it's similar to what happens in actually md from the working die to Planchet.

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Congrats, very nice DDO!
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Yup. Really like that one.
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Thanks CF, Coop, Gorham Collector, Chuckster 125, And TB.

Coop, thanks for mentioning that one. That last image was just some die scratches as markers. BTW- There's another die dot under the your of EPU as well but the image wasn't in my folder for some reason.


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I think the reason the old timers consider it "md" is bc they are just using the md definition to describe what's happening since it's similar to what happens in actually md from the working die to Planchet.


Thanks GC. ( I liked your coin BTW.)

Some of them don't care for modern single squeeze doubled dies and that's perfectly fine if they don't care for them. More for us.

But they shouldn't be spreading false information by insisting single squeeze doubling isn't really hub doubling. They basically said they were correct and all the current attribution services were wrong in assigning DDO or DDR status to single squeeze era coins. (We love them and know better.LOL)

I understood what they were saying but completely disagree with their assessment of using it to describe doubled dies in this single squeeze era. Some people on the other forum were stating thickness on devices in the single squeeze era wasn't really a doubled die. I took exception to that since the thickness is measurable and on a working die.

If their thoery were accurate and the working die experienced "MD" and transferred that "MD" to the planchet, the doubling on the coin would still be flat or shelf-like, and not have overall thickness.

The last thing I'll mention is this. Their "MD on the Working Die Theory" could be used to describe how almost all doubling from the old conventional method occurred also.
It could even be used to describe how the doubling occurred on the '55 DDO-001. I can hear them now "It's just high bounce MD with slight rotation on the working die." (Did it happen on the first hubbing, second hubbing, or both hubbings if you use their theory of "MD on the Working Die Theory" ?)

Using their rationale, Class III, Design Hub Doubling, (think large Date Over Small date) might be the only one that definitely occurred from two separate hubbings.
http://doubleddie.com/203864.html

If you couldn't tell, I like doubled dies in the single squeeze era.

Anyways, thanks everyone for letting me get this off my chest. I'll go back on my meds now.
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