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1989 P 10c Incomplete Planchet But Not Clipped, Or PMD?

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Looks like post mint damage to me. Notice how the edge reeding continues though the affected part of the coin? Indication of whatever happened here happened after the coin is struck.
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Post mint damage.
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The coin at one time was normal. the bends and the hint of the reeds being present, is the clue that it was altered. Note the last image; The wave of the metal near the Thumb is the biggest clue. The coin was bent post strike.
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I'm going to be the fly in the ointment here.
I agree with Coop that the area he pointed out was damaged post strike but I feel it was a incomplete planchet going into the striking chamber. The wire rim reminds me of the rim on my split before strike 1960-D cent
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This may have had something rolled into the metal before blanking and come out previous to the strike.
To me it's a mint error with the mentioned damage to a weak point.



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This is a genuine planchet error. The nature of the planchet defect is unclear. The relatively smooth depression and fully intact cladding on the obverse suggests it's a rolling indentation -- a place where a foreign object was rolled into the strip and then fell out after rolling was completed but before blanking commenced. I doubt it's a tapered planchet, as every clad coin I've seen struck on a tapered planchet features a partial or complete missing clad error on one face. But there's a first time for everything. I also can't completely rule out pre-strike planchet damage, although such errors usually show greater evidence of mechanical damage as well as exposure of the copper core.
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Original coin - PMD for sure.
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Interesting! I would love to know the weight of these 2 coins.
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 Posted 07/18/2022  9:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My 1960-D cent weighes 1.6g
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My dime is weighs in at 1.7g

Also, thank you for the comments and analysis from the different perspectives. I am interested to pursue an attribution for a slab, which TPG is best for this?
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Whatever attribution you get, it's unlikely that they'll choose "rolling indentation". They seem not to recognize the existence of this error type, even though it's well-documented in this and other countries.
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Nice find.
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