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  The obverse detail is off the charts. I think it's worth considering. Has great luster but not unusual luster. This one wouldn't get a tone bumo in my opinion. Do any of you think it's good enough?
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I say MS-62 RD.
Look at "states" on the reverse.
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07/18/2022 1:15 pm
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Nice Lincoln Cent but the whole left side and ''States "on reverse is troubling . MS-64RD . |
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obv strike is strong. looks like you got some marks in the temple area and the jacket around the rim has probably too many minor marks. STATES has some nicks and the steps are non-existent. its doubtful this one would even get to 66. the reverse is going to hold it to MS64RD
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I will say reverse 62-63 and observe 64. Very attractive coin, in fact you have many of those very attractive. Overall I go to max. 63
PS. A close-up of the nose will be appreciate. Seem like some sort of doubling.
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07/18/2022 3:58 pm
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obv strike is strong. looks like you got some marks in the temple area and the jacket around the rim has probably too many minor marks. STATES has some nicks and the steps are non-existent. its doubtful this one would even get to 66. the reverse is going to hold it to MS64RD Please don't misinterpret this you have been extremely helpful to me and I hope you continue to do so. Hey my good forum friend. Here is a PCGS website picture of a MS68. I just copied it. My picture of the obverse please notice how strong the VDB is. I have it magnified 40 times so the scratches you see are practically invisible with a 10pwr loupe. The reverse of the 68 please notice the number of hits on it. lower right of memorial building for instance in addition to five addition hits I see on the letters. As for the color I can go to my filters and adjustments in my photos and make my coin look almost the same. When typing a response they can be read as sarcastic or defiant , I send this with the most gentle affect just for discussion. I value your opinion as well as others. There are two other ms-68's from the website with an equal amount of contact marks as the one I posted. Please feel free to show me things I maybe overlooking.   Edited by grospoisson
07/18/2022 4:07 pm
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@Gross: I agree with you on this. who can explain 68, 69 or 67 from PCGS? I see this currently. For what reason they say this grad? is no explanation.
I do not think you frustrate somebody, why? Because you have nice coins which on those days they grad on download grad just because you to resend for consideration and pay new price?
You remember first coin you send to me? Come back 65RD and it is far better then my 68RD.
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07/18/2022 5:02 pm
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EZ 66RD with a shot a 67....that's a beauty for the issue!
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@Gross: I agree with you on this. who can explain 68, 69 or 67 from PCGS? I see this currently. For what reason they say this grad? is no explanation.
I do not think you frustrate somebody, why? Because you have nice coins which on those days they grad on download grad just because you to resend for consideration and pay new price?
You remember first coin you send to me? Come back 65RD and it is far better then my 68RD. Silvio I definitely know you have studied the coins more than me. I really think I will send a couple coins I think are better than 66 and ask for reconsideration just to test that theory. I have been choosing coins that are mark free (or close) unless they are put under a powerful scope. I have been more diligent in submitting coins with a better strike. I have been getting more 67's than in the past but can't seem to tell the difference when I get a 66 as opposed to a 67. BadThad has told me that there is a certain type of toning that the TPGS like and he is absolutely correct . I know the toning he is talking about but it's very hard to find coins with that toning and relatively mark free. I will say this. When I am able to find that toning a couple of medium hits doesn't matter. At least with coins I submitted |
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Nice looking MS-65RD. Lots of small marks on it.
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Post some pics using the Canon, I think it will change some opinions.
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i always try to take into consideration your photos and lean towards a better color than what the photos show. we have had some great discussions and I try to give you my best assessment but always lean toward the more conservative side based on what we know about the TPG graders since we have been looking at these. Quote:
BadThad has told me that there is a certain type of toning that the TPGS like and he is absolutely correct BadThad is correct on this one. they are looking for that blazing red color without any discoloration to get above 66. there is such a fine line here with that and so difficult to assess and compare your photos to those grading at that level already. I'm betting all your coins posted are probably better in hand. the obv of the 68 photo is pretty much pristine void of any marks scuffs or even discoloration. the reverse has me puzzled and another reason why we have a hard time guessing what they see when they look at this and how they can assess a coin at 68 with no steps at all. I would agree the obv is 68. the only thing I can think of is that the reverse is pretty clean other than that and whomever had that coin in hand did not think it was that much of impact on the grade as the rest of the coin was in that range. this makes it difficult to determine what they see and what they will or will not deduct for this. taking a coin that would be pristine being MS70 I guess they felt that a two point deduction for this was adequate along with the other minor reverse marks the revers of your coin from K10-K2 has way too many marks plus previously discussed obv marks along the bottom of the coat is going to keep it from 66 imo, I could maybe see it at 65 but I think its closer to 64 or maybe a + but thats not going to help what you are looking for what do we do with the steps is the question and I think it we need to look at the overall coin to determine what they may deduct for them. the problem is its not consistent from what we have seen. in any case your coin is not one to send in P |
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for anyone interested in the post we found out some interesting data on this coin that needs to be considered in grading. all the marks along the bottom of the coat are die related and not PM scratches. Also the marks at K10-K12 across STATES are also die related. I found several examples of 77D's with this affect. apparently it got worse in the later die states. the steps are also die related and as you can see in the 68 example are non existent this coin does not come to level of the MS68 posted as an example as it does not have blazing surfaces required but it has a really good shot at MS67RD and another reason that you just cant judge a coin by what you see. Thanks to BadThad for throwing some light on this one. it changed the way I will assess these coins going forward. one must look at other similar coins to see commonalities that at first give a different impression than what we are really seeing. for those who want to learn how to grade high end LMC's you should consider doing the same. |
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