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Understand What PMD Is And How Irrational PMD Can Be. Has Me Scratching My Head. (1967 Cent)

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Anybody ever seen something like this? Thanks for looking and serious pertinent responses.

*** Edited by Staff to Add Year / Mintmark / Denomination to Title. Titles are Important! ***


Understand-What-PMD-Is-And-How-Irrational-PMD-Can-Be.---Has-Me-Scratching-My-Head.-1967-Cent
Understand-What-PMD-Is-And-How-Irrational-PMD-Can-Be.---Has-Me-Scratching-My-Head.-1967-Cent
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 Posted 07/18/2022  4:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PMD
caused by someone counterstamping the coin.
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 Posted 07/18/2022  4:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Obverse looks like the punching on the reverse was done over another coin that altered the obverse. Just plain old damage to a coin. Just a copper melt coin if they ever let us do that?
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If there was another coin under the obverse when the punching/counterstamping occurred, wouldn't the letters on the obverse be incuse?
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Well they are mirrored, not normal. If they were struck by the die, then they would not be mirrored. Transferred from something with incuse letters if they are raised on the coin.
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All said, the coin didn't leave the striking chamber in that condition. Might be a fun curiosity to hang onto.
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Obverse vise job, reverse counterstamp?
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An interesting counterstamp—only worth face value but I would save this in a 2x2 as a novelty. Thx for sharing!
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Someone has, for whatever reason, been hand-punching "WATER SA" onto things. Perhaps this is the only penny they made, who can tell, but they were definitely punching it onto lots of other things. Because the "anvil" used for punching this penny was covered in punch-marks from those same letters. That is why, on the other side of this penny, there are pieces from the same letters "WATER SA", but jumbled up, raised, and reversed.

Presumably whoever created this penny was unaware of the law against stamping advertisements onto coins. But since we can't figure out exactly what "WATER SA" is, it doesn't seem to be a very good "advertisement". My best guess: the San Antonio Water System? If it wasn't an American coin, I would have guessed South Australia, or South Africa.

Perhaps it wasn't even a deliberate attempt to "vandalize a coin", but rather, just somebody needing to get some practice with hand-stamping some letters, so they just grabbed a random piece of handy scrap metal - a low-denomination coin - and used it.

When was it done? Well, the incuse counterstamps are black and dull, so it's not recent. Presumably it was made a lot closer to 1967 than today. It's possible that after being made, it went back into circulation for a bit before being souvenired.
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In fact SA Water is South Africa company owned by Cheung Kong Infrastructure Holdings Limited and Power Assets Holdings Limited at 51% and is listed on South Africa exchange. They supply water from The River Murray and principal city deserved is Adelaide. (Do not buy theirs stock now)

SAP you has all my respect for the finding.
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SAP and Silviosi - OUTSTANDING information. Thank you!
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This CENT has both a counter stamp on the reverse and a vise job on the obverse. Intentional post mint damage all around. Didn't leave the mint looking like this!
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