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2004 D Kennedy Half - PMD, Counterstamp Or Strike Through?

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Wondering if this is some type of strike through or is it just PMD or someone's attempt at a counterstamp. I tried to get a couple images at a strong angle to show the edges of the area.
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Looks like s split in the cladding. Now starting to rise above the fields. On the last three images, was the light showing a rise, or a rise on the cladding? The earlier images looks like raised cladding casting a shadow. The #4 & #5 makes it look like it is raised? Was that light from the left sides of these areas? Making it appear raised? But that is what I'm wondering at this point. If there is light and shadow (darker color), it is a raised area on the cad on that area.
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It is incuse, right @mrb? With the smushed over metal, it looks like a counter strike/damage to me.
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The area is incuse. The uniform roughness of the metal in the bottom of the incuse area made me think that it was not a tool that made the mark. I agree there are a couple small areas of smushed metal and that got me back to a stamp. I do not know enough about the striking process, but if something occurs in the striking chamber is there no way to have smushed metal?
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I feel it was not punched, as the reverse area doesn't show a push out. Does the clad look raised on that area as the images show?
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I will have to check the coin again when I am home. The photos are with max magnification of my scope. I don't think you see raised clad with a loupe, but I will check later and post results.

@coop - I agree on the no push through on the reverse. That is one of the first things I checked.
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Take an image at an angle so we can see if it is higher than the surface of the coin? That is what I think is going on. Also not the left side of the cladding, it looks rough and altered like it separated from the coin at some point?
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I see an area on the rev that is damage, starting with the R and going down to the arrowheads. Overlay will match up. Counterstrike.
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Struggling to get decent photos on this one. Here are a few more. I really don't see much on the reverse.
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It looks like an "O" or "0" punch was applied lightly at an angle. This would have occurred after striking and most certainly after it left the Mint. It's damage.
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