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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Probably correct. I will try to remember to check on it, too. The grade isn't great, but the date seems to be quite rare, so we'll see.
Apparently very quickly bid up to 43 euros, where it stalled. By the look of it someone probably had a high pre-bid maximum and everyone else just didn't bother to work against them at this level.
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1613. Jeton from Dordrecht mint, province of Holland, celebrating the 5th year of the truce with Spain
Dugniolle 3690

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OBV: bundle of seven arrows (symbol of the seven united provinces of the Dutch Republic) FORTITUDO BELGICA (strength of the Netherlands)
mint signature: rose

REV four lines of text: CIC IC CXIII / INDVCIAR : / V / S C (1613, 5th year, struck by the States General)
mint signature: rose

An OBV variant with INDVCIARf is present in the museum of Rotterdam
https://museumrotterdam.nl/collectie/item/51954
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Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth 1613 1 grosz (groschen):
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This Liard was issued by the French City State of Chateau-Renaud in 1613:

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1612, a zoo present on three jetons

1) France Louis XIII with mother bird leading its young on her back to the sky (MEOS AD SIDERO TOLLO); Louis XIII was still a kid, his mother Maria de Medicis was queen regent

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2) Two jetons from the Spanish Netherlands, featuring a parrot, a lion and a snake

Dugn.3677 vLoonII.78 Antwerp OBV Parrot champion of equilibrium AEQVA POTENTIA 1612 REV portrait of archdukes ALBERTVS ET ISABELLA D G

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Dugn.3679 Antwerp 'wisdom of archduke Albert' OBV. Lion, staff and snake NVLLVM NVMEN ABEST SI SIT PRVDENTIA 161Z REV coat of arms Habsburg G P L CHAM DES COMP EN BRA

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This 1/24 Thaler is a Vicariant issue of the German State of Saxony.

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Nice set of jetons, and it looks like an interesting mint/mintmaster's mark on that Saxony coin though I can;t quite make it out.
I have another Polish grosz:
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France Louis XIII with mother bird leading its young on her back to the sky (MEOS AD SIDERO TOLLO)

Interesting jeton!

France 1611, double tournois, Louis XIII, Paris (A).

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This Half Real was struck in Barcelona and is dated 1611 AD:

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Nice pair of royal portraits.
Ive got my third year in a row of "where's Sigismund?"

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1610 was an evenful year in France:

On May 14 Henry IV was assassinated by the jesuit monk François Ravaillac. This was not a single event but one of several during the great religous turmoil in Europe during the 16th and 17th century (we'll see the gunpowderplot in England and the assassination of William of Orange as other examples during the newt weeks). Henry IV was king of France from 1589 to 1610 (first monarch of the House of Bourbon). He was baptized Catholic, but converted to Protestantism. This led to a serious conflict with catholic Spain. His policy towards more freedom of religous choice led to his assassination which happened while he traveled by coach in the streets of Paris, as seen in the drawing below:

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The first jetons are from (protestant) Holland, where Henry IV was admired:

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Dugniolle 3665 (van LoonII.67, Tas415) was minted in Dordrecht and entitled 'Assassination of Henry IV'
OBV Lamb (the King) is attacked by a wolf wearing a jesuit hat NON CAEDES FOVET CIC IC CX mintmark of Dordrecht: rose
REV two amorous doves stand on a bible between the letters S and C. RELIGIO AMOREM rose

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Dugnniolle 3667 Dordrecht is a rare hybrid jeton, using the dies from two other pieces:
OBV Man sleeping (not on guard) amids weapons QVIESCO CIC IC CIX S C, identical to an earlier jeton (Dugn. 3651 from 1609)
REV is identical to the OBV of Dugnniolle 3667

The assassination of the king led to the succession of his son who was crowned in the cathedral of Reims as Louis XIII in sept 1610. He was 9 year old at that moment. His mother Maria de Medici became queen regent until 1617.

the third jeton (made in Nuremberg by Hans Krauwinckel (HK)) shows on the OBV a view of the city of Rheims and its defence walls (Rhemis) and on the REV a portrait of the newly crowned king

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That is a SUPER trio of jetons about an historical series of events!

The last in a run of Polish groats, 1610:
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For much of my OFEY collection, I have picked up small silver or copper coins. 1610 is an anomaly--this Thaler from Saxe-Weimar is a hockey puck of silvery goodness.

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