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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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1605 English sixpence - King James I of England who was also King James VI of Scotland:
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Good to see James I, NumisRob . Very nice portrait !

My jeton for 1605 was minted at the end of the year in Dordrecht, in the province of Holland to memorize the Gunpowder Plot. On 5 november 1605 a conspiracy by a group of English catholics led by Robert Catesby was discovered. The intention was to blow up the English parliament using a large number of barrels of gunpowder which were hidden in one of the cellars below the in the Palace of Westminster. The conspiracy was led by Robert Catesby, and the goal was to murder the protestant king James I, his family and many of the aristocracy in James' surroundings. Guy Fawkes, the most remembered name connected to the plot was responsible for carrying out the attack. Fawkes had sent a few days previously a letter warning a friend not to come to Parliament on the day of the attack. The king got the letter and became alerted: the cellars were searched and the gunpowder was discovered. The conspirators and their leader were sentenced for treason and hanged and quartered.

Gunpowder Plot is still widely celebrated in England on November 5 and is also known as Guy Fawkes day. The plot may also have inpired the events unfolding in the Game of Thrones where Cercei Lannister exterminates her opponents by blowing up the parliament building with wildfire. (https://time.com/4383798/game-of-th...guy-fawkes/)

There are few coins or medals connected to this well known conspiracy. The jeton below plot connects the plot to the order of Jabobins who practiced catholic faith in secret as it was forbidden in Anglican England in those days. This jeton made for political events abroad is no exeption. Remember a week ago - where I posted jetons from the mint of Dordrecht to memorize the assassination of Henri IV.

1605 Dugn.3599, vLoonII.22, Tas383 - Dordrecht 'Gunpowder Plot'
VZ Jehovah sign in thorned crown, chronogram (MDCIIIII) present in the legend NON DORMITASTI ANTISTES IACOBI
KZ Snake hidden between flowers DETECTVS.QVI.LATVIT.S.C

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Remember, remember the fifth of November,
gunpowder treason and plot,
I know of no reason why gunpowder treason
should ever be forgot.
Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes,
It was his intent
to blow up the King and the Parliament.
Three score barrels of powder below,
Poor old England to overthrow:
By God's providence he was catch'd
With a dark lantern and burning match.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, make the bells ring.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, God save the King!
Hip hip hoorah!


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Here is a 1605 one denar city issue from Poznan (Poland):

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My jeton for 1605 was minted at the end of the year in Dordrecht, in the province of Holland to memorize the Gunpowder Plot. On 5 november 1605 a conspiracy by a group of English catholics led by Robert Catesby was discovered...
I knew I should have started this edition ten days later than I did. Would have been nicely timed!
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I knew I should have started this edition ten days later than I did. Would have been nicely timed!
yes, but we're in the right period, I was in York last week, and Guy Falkes is already in the streets (he was born in Stonegate, close to the Minster).

Here's a short paper about this jeton, which is a collectors item in the UK

https://www.coinworld.com/news/worl...er-plot.html

the legend on the reverse is not about Jacobins as I wrote above, but about James (Jacobus in Latin): NON DORMITASTI ANTISTES IACOBI freely translated into "you, the guards of James, have not slept,"
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Here is a 1605 one denar city issue from Poznan (Poland):



tdziemia, how can you tell this is a 1605 coin without an apparent date?
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@jps, I believe that the last two digits of the date are visible on either side of the crossed keys. I'm not sure if we have ever had the discussion as to why two (or even one) digit dates were common in some areas at some times.
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Speaking of coins with dates not containing all four numerals, this Schilling from Riga just has the "605".

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the last two digits of the date are visible on either side of the crossed keys.


The 5 is a little messed up, but yes.

For 1604 another 1 grosz coin from Poland (we have two more weeks of Sigismund in his ruffled collar):
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This 3 Kreuzer was issued by the German City of Pfalz-Zweibrucken in 1604 AD:

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1604

The jetons of today and the following two days memorize the siege of of Oostende which was incredibly long (1601-1604). Oostende, now a thriving city on the Belgian North Sea coast, was around 1600 a military base of the Dutch Replublic installed to protect the mercantile ships of Holland and Zeeland on their way to the West or East Indies. Ships from the fleet from the VOC were often attacked by the "Duinkerkse kapers" (the Dunkirkers or Dunkirk Privateers) in the channel and the naval ships in Oostende were of importance for protection. So the base of Oostende was important for the United Provinces and therefore an important asset to be conquered by the Spanish Netherlands in the final years of war before the 12-year truce. Archduke Albert of the Spanish Netherlands finally succeeded in capturing Oostende. He had constructed a tower in the dunes southwest of Oostende: on this large structure cannons were installed to bombard the Dutch see painting by Peter Snayers.

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1604 Dugn.3588 Dordrecht 'Capture of Sluis & capitulation of Oostende'
OBV City of Sluis & harbor SOLI DEO GLORIA CIC IC CIIII Sluis
REV Oostende under siege XPYMEA XAVKEION Oostende

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1604 Dugn.3585 Dordrecht 'Capture of Sluis & capitulation of Oostende'
OBV Map of the towns in zeeuws vlaanderen PATRIAE QVATVOR EX ME VRBES DEDI 1604
REV map of the fortifications of Oostende OOSTENDE PLVS TRIENNIO OBSESSA HOSTI RVDERA

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Thanks for the explanation about the last two digits--05. I guess since everyone at the time knew it was the 1600s, they figured the first two digits were unnecessary.
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Kinda reminds me of computer programmers in the 1980s and 1990s.
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He had constructed a tower in the dunes southwest of Oostende: on this large structure cannons were installed to bombard the Dutch see painting by Peter Snayers.

That's an amazing painting. I am thinking about the engineering that must have gone into that tower to prevent it from being knocked over the first time a cannon fired. But I guess there was a lot of experience with such things.

1603 trojak (3 groschen) struck in Krakow:
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