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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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Lovely coins and fascinating historical details, everyone!

1566

I'm afraid that my next (and final) few contributions to this thread are rather monotonous. The silver sixpence was a major circulating denomination during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I in England, and they are dated, which is nice. But sadly the Queen's portrait was in very low relief and was the first part of the design to wear flat:
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1566 English silver hammered sixpence
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A 1566 grosz of Sigismund Augustus of Poland and Lithiuania:
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Sigismund sports a very long beard on his later coins, but in three weeks we will see he wore a much shorter one when he was younger.
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Here is a Groschen from the German Electorate of Saxony-Albertine dated 1566 AD:

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Might be a few minutes too late with this one - but no 1565 posted as I write this.
Fitting that it's late, for being one of my saddest cases of the one that got away...

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Sweden, Erik XIV (1560-8)
1/2 öre, 1566
MB# 105, Numista 31345

As I recall, the seller had a tray full of chipped examples (like this one) at 150 rubles each, and a tray full of unchipped examples at 250 rubles each (about $3 and $5 respectively).
I found them very late in the day and just didn't have the money for a full coin (or maybe did but thought I wanted to keep some just in case), so I bought a partial one.

Then at home I figured out what exactly I got (and realized how dumb I was in not getting the complete example), and on next opportunity went to the same place and tried to look for the seller. And then next time after that, and after that...
Unfortunately my memory for faces is approximately nonexistent, and I could only partially reconstruct where exactly I found that particular tray, so by the time I found the seller again (by their other items) several weeks later, he had none of those left any more.

Perhaps the most interesting feature of this type is the numeral in the legend - you get numbers all the time in dates, of course, but the regnal numeral not being Roman is a rare thing!
Unfortunately the location where the number would have been on my coin (about 3h on the second pic) is one of the most chipped-off places.


[EDIT: you can see a vaguely similar type from Erik XIV's successor Johan III - or, as the coin spells it, IOHANN 3 - on top of the previous page.]
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1565

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1565 English sixpence. This cost me £1 some years ago. As with most low grade Elizabethan sixpences, the porttait is almost completely worn off.
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Glad to have another Swedish coin posted @j1m!

Here is an Italian Soldo from Savoy:

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I like the "lightning bolt 5s" on that coin!

1565 Lithuanian half groat:
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From 18 May to 12 September 1565 the fleet of the Ottoman Empire laid siege to Malta which was then governed by the Knights Hospitaller. The siege did not result in a surrender of the island. The jeton below from the low countries (mint unknown) memorizes this military fact, one of many from the Mediterrenean during the 16th century, the fleets from the catholic league and the Ottoman Empire competing for dominance of the region.

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Dugniolle.2404 'Malta liberated after the Great Siege'
OBV: Victorious Knight Hospitaller FVGATA TVRCA, below 1565
REV: Galey with statue of victory MELITA LIBERATA

From the province of Gelderland, here is another example of a 1/5th Philipsdaalder

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posted about the same minute: two very similar chevaliers
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1565 jeton, Malta liberated
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This ends my 80 day story of the 80 years war.

I'm a little late with this, but just wanted to say your historical information on the coins issued during the 80 years war has been a fascinating read over the past almost-3 months! Thanks again, @1c5d7n5m, for all the time and effort you spent compiling and presenting this.
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thanks hokiefan_82

happy to read the history context was interesting !
whenever you feel like reading more about this topic, I can recommend Geoffrey Parker who wrote outstanding history books about this period:
The Dutch Revolt
The Grand Strategy of Philip II
Spain and the Netherlands 1559-1659
The Army of Flanders and the Spanish Road, 1567-1659: The Logistics of Spanish Victory and Defeat in the Low Countries' Wars.
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nice example of the 1565 malta jeton, bd251

this piece is quite difficult to obtain, competition at auctions always being very intense - don't know exactly why, as it is not very rare and it is one of many historical jetons from the period/region that were produced to spread a bit of propaganda
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1564 English sixpence of Queen Elizabeth I.
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William Shakespeare was born in April this year in Stratford-upon-Avon in Warwickshire. He would have been very familiar with these coins.
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.... continued from my last post, here is an example of a jeton that encounters less competition than the 1565 malta piece at auctions, but is certainy rarer ; this jeton memorizes the end of the siege of Oran (and Mers El Kebir - both on the coast of present Algeria) by the Ottoman fleet, events that happened in 1653. This succes may have helped the lift of the siege of Malta (1565) and the victory at Lepanto (1572) - the Spanish side in the Habsburg-Ottoman war in the Mediterenean region gained power during a decade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege...ers_El_Kebir

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Dugniolle 2386 Northern Provinces, mint of Dordrecht 'End of the siege of Oran'
OBV: Portrait of king Philip II PHS DG HISP REGIS COMITIS HOL
REV: Coat of arms of the five Northern Provinces (before the revolt) Holland in the center and then clockwise starting from 12H Zeeland, Friesland, Overijssel, and Utrecht ORANA TVRCARV OBSIDIONE LIBERATA / 15-64

for 1564 here is an example of a (hand cut and hammered !) half philipsdaalder from the Nijmegen mint in the Province of Gelderland; the crew in this mint did an amazing job

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