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How Far Back Can We Go? Seventh Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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I don't remember all those nice Philipsdaalders the last time through. Worth pointing out that the orientation of the date on that one is continuous with the legend, which makes it "upside-down" from the normal date orientation on most coins with date below the bust.

I'll continue the parade of Lithuania half groats started by keith12:
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Here is a Drier issued by the German City State of Brandenberg and dated 1561 AD, once on each side of the coin:

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date on that one is continuous with the legend, which makes it "upside-down" from the normal date orientation on most coins with date below the bust


correct - it will probably not work to submit this coin for the 1951 date of the 8th edition of this thread
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1560 Lithuanian half groat (most of what I've got for the next 15 days).
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Me too!

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For 1559 here is a jeton from the Netherlands mentioning the peace negociations between France and Spain - these would result in the peace of Cateau-Cambre#769;sis signed on April 3, 1559. This agreement ended a 65-year long struggle between France and Spain for the control of Italy, with François I of France and Charles V of Spain being the key opponents. The result was that the Habsburg empire would become the sovereign power of large pieces of Italy during the next centuries.

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Dugniolle 2178 'peace negociations between France and Spain'
OBV: Philippe II standing with sword and olive branch IN VIRVMQVE PARATVS 1559
REV: Coat of arms Habsburg GECTOIRS DE BVREAV DES FINA

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Not a Half Groschen, but rather this Denar from Lithuania for 1559 for me:

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Nice! I have denars from other mints coming up in a few days, too, but another Lithuanian half groat for 1559:
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Mughal Empire Akbar 1/2 dam AH (9)66 (1459)
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for 1558 here is a Philipsdaalder from the Spanish Netherlands, duchy of Brabant, mint of Maastricht (star)

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That's a stunning progression of Philipsdaalders with fine portraits!

Another Lithuanian half groat, 1558:
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Me too, just a bit more worn and tattered:

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Last day (first year) to present a Philipsdaalder. This piece is from the County of Flanders; Brugge mint

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The Philipsdaalder was the heaviest silver piece (±34 grammes, silver content 0,835) that circulated in Europe and it would last till the death of Philippe II in 1598. The next year (Antwerp 1599) the Archdukes Albert & Isabelle would introduce a new coin: the silver florin (zilveren gulden).
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Me too, just a bit more worn and tattered:

But yours has nice original toning and mine's been cleaned I believe.

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The Philipsdaalder was the heaviest silver piece (±34 grammes, silver content 0,835) that circulated in Europe

I was not aware of that. Thalers were lighter but higher in silver purity?

Another Lithanian half groat for 1557:
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