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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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This little 1557 Hungarian Denar is my oldest dated coin, so with this I'll sign off until the Eighth Edition (unless I happen to purchase an older dated coin in the meantime!):  |
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 United States
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So glad to have had your diligent participation @nr! I'm stuck in Lithuania for today:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Lovely examples!  |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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here two examples of the 1556 jeton memorizing the sixth reunion of the knights of the Golden Fleece (gulden vlies / toisson d'or). The obverse shows the portrait of Phillipe de Croy, duke of Aerschot, and prince of Chimay, the chief adviser of both Charles V and of Philippe II in the Netherlands. Comparison of the two pieces (rare jetons) illustrate the interesting varieties in the response of copper to 4.5 centuries of oxygen and water vapor.   Dugniolle 2099 'sixth reunion of the knights of the Golden Fleece' OBV. portrait of Phillipe de Croy PHLE SYRE DE CROY DVC DAERSCHOT REV. Coat of arms of Philippe de Croy ET DE PORCEAN Z P RINCE DE CHIMAY |
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United States
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Here is another Drier from Brandenburg, but dated 1556 AD. As with the others, then date is on both sides of the coin. I have attributed it as Saurma 4764.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Russian Federation
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Terrible photos again for my entry for 1556...   Kingdom of Poland, Gdansk (Danzig) billon (?) denar, (15)56 Kopicki 7352 (?), Numista 175270I have a coin for 1554 but after that I don't appear to have any photographed entries until 1522. |
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My 1556 denar is from the Polish city of Elbing, nearby:   Yes, certainly low grade billon, though I can't confirm the exact composition. According to Gumowski, the composition of the Gdansk denar under under Sigismund I (up to 1548) was 9.4% silver, and it was the same under Stefan Batory (1576-1586). But he has the Lithuanian denar and 2 denar at considerably higher silver content (22%) under SIgismund II. |
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Belgium
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1555 was the year that emperor Charles V of Spain etc etc. abdicated, with prince Philippe II being his heir. the rare jeton below from Flanders (Bruges mint) still mentions Philippe II as prince  Dugniolle 1997 Brugge 'Chamber of finances Lille' OBV portrait PHII Philippe II PHLIP CAROL FIL HISPA PRINCEPS 1555 REV cavalry in battle GECT POVR LA CHABRE DES COPTES A LILLE the second jeton from Dordrecht, Holland memorizes the abdication of Charles V  Dugniolle 2017 Dordrecht 'Abdication of Charles V' OBV: portrait of Charles V CAROLVS V ROM IMP SEMP AVGVST9 REV: coat of arms Spanje, Burgundy & Netherlands GECTOIRS POVR LE BVRREAV DES FINAN 55 finally a ' Carolusdaalder' (taler from the imperial city of Nijmegen) showing Charles for the last time   Edited by 1c5d7n5m
12/15/2023 07:29 am
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For today I have this 3 Kreuzer from the German Free City of Isny:   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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United States
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finally a 'Carolusdaalder' I have tried for a nice portrait coin of each ruler in my Brabant collection, but so far I only have a small copper for Charles. Tough to find a nice Carolusdaalder... even the florins are less expensive  And I am again at the other end of the denomination range with a coin that weighs 1/100 of a Carolusdaalder (and has even less silver), another Polish denar, 1555 Gdansk:   Edited by tdziemia
12/15/2023 12:01 pm
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Belgium
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even the florins are less expensive I think the opposite is true: the Carolus florins are really expensive these days, the Daalders are much easier to obtain, probably because competition among collectors is less intense it was even easier in the past: in 2012 Jean Elsen & Sons auctioned part of the famous Archer Huntington Collection; one tiny part of this enormous collection of coins related to Spain was a set of ±25 Daalders produced in 1555 by the three Imperial IJsselcities (a joint minting endeavor of the towns of Kampen, Zwolle and Deventer). I remember almost all of them were auctioned for reasonable prices while quality was outstanding; this is one of them which has a great tone (patina):  Delm.663 Daalder van de drie Rijkssteden 1555 OBV: portrait of the emperor holding globe and sword between 1555 MONETA NO TRIVM CIVITATVM IMPERIALVM variant with small M at 12.00 REV: linked coats of arms of the three IJsseltowns: Kampen, Zwolle and Deventer CAMPENSIS ZWOLLENSIS DAVENTRIENSIS Ex HSA 6896 more recently I acquired this very rare half Daalder van de drie Rijkssteden (Delm. 674) when it was auctioned quite cheaply (quality being less than the whole daalder):  |
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United States
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Maybe I formed an incorrect impression based only on looking at the Brabant issues. I should widen my search criteria. Here is the same Philip that 1c5d has been showing, but on an English coin (1554 shilling)   |
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Belgium
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that is a great coin, tdziemia by marrying Mary Tudor (bloody Mary) Philippe, Prince of Spain & the Netherlands also became king of England in 1554 |
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Russian Federation
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Lots of European places in here - but the world is not limited to Europe, and not merely Europe was issuing dated coins in the middle of the 16th century AD...   Sultanate of Delhi, Suri dynasty Muhammad Adil Shah (1554-5) AE paisa, dated 961 AH = 1554 AD 21x20 mm, 20.51 grams cf. Numista 57874 (might not be this exact variety) For context: a US nickel is 21 mm and 5 grams, and a Lithuanian half-groat is 20 mm and 1.2 grams. This is a serious chonk of a coin.  A little blurry but should give an idea of what this looks like from the side. I hadn't measured the thickness but from the picture I'd estimate about 7 mm (which is not-so-coincidentally the same as four US nickels put together). Unfortunately, my next entry (with pics) is not until 1522 (ironically enough, a Lithuanian half-groat). [EDIT: fixed very awkward typo] Edited by january1may
12/16/2023 5:11 pm
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@tdz Very nice Philip and Mary shilling!
I've been looking for a nice one.
So many are crudely struck and don't have good clear portraits.
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