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Gold 99.999% 1oz - Klondike - 34mm diameter - FV $350 - Mintage: 400 - $4,299.95
Silver SML Fractional Set - 1oz has rose gold plating on edge&rim. Double dated 1988-2023 - Mintage: 3,000 - $279.95
Silver 1oz - Remembrance Day (Selective Colour Poppies) - 38mm diameter - FV $20 - Mintage 8,500 - $109.95
Silver 3oz - Canadian Collage (SML with inset colour image) - 55mm diameter - FV $50 - Mintage: 3,000 - $319.95
Gold 2oz - Timber Wolf (Final Coin in EHR series) - 36mm diameter - FV $250; Mintage 275 - $6,999.95
Silver 1oz - Timber Wolf (Final Coin in EHR series) - 36mm diameter - FV $25 - Mintage 5,000 - $139.95
Silver 16oz - Canadian Passages - 13 puzzle pieces plus center; 123mm diameter FV $50 (center) $20 (Puzzle pieces) - Mintage: 800 - $1,999.95
Nickel plated Steel Lenticular Sleigh - FV 50c - 35mm diameter - Mintage: 100,000 - $29.95
2022 5 Coin Holiday gift card - Mintage - 100,000 - $21.95
Silver 1/4 oz - Moments to Remember - Remembrance day - 27mm diameter- FV $5 - Mintage 100,000 - $24.95
Editorial:
Disappointed that the $350 gold while still 5 nines has dropped to 1oz from 1.125 and also a rehash image. This was noted as the only 5 nines coin this year.
Otherwise a fairly typical if uninspiring September Release
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
 United States
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@vonigohcr: Thanks for the notice!
RE: $350 gold coin. As I'm sure you realize, it's all about hitting certain price points with modern collector coins. The increase in gold's spot price likely put too much pressure on the coin's issue price at the previous weight.
Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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08/30/2022 08:37 am
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$350 gold coin. As I'm sure you realize, it's all about hitting certain price points with modern collector coins. I fully agree however it is one thing for a series to end or go on hiatus and another altogether to change the framework for that series. My frustration is not that the 1 1/8 oz 5 nines coin is not being released though to be honest I am a little disappointed... it is that it has changed to a 1oz coin with the same FV and diameter. 2 years ago they changed the 1/4oz gold from 14K to 4 nines pure but dropped the diameter from 27mm to 20 mm (approx 50c size to dime size). A 1oz gold has had a FV of $200 for most of the recent years. Maybe push it to $250 if you want the 5-nines differentiation but FV of $350 has always been for 1 1/8 oz (at least since the dropped it from 1 1/4 oz in 2004. Pushing 1oz to 34mm in diameter from the standard 30mm thins the planchet and increases opportunities for confusion... The Call of the Wild series from 2014-2020 was a 5-nines series weighing 1oz all with a $200 FV / 30mm diameter and the 2014-2017 releases were in both Proof & Bullion so there is precedent. All I am saying is that the RCM denominations are a mess. It would be nice to look at 38mm Silver FV $20 and know it is an ounce and that is mostly the case except for a number of $25 and $30 releases... 1/2 oz is for the most part FV $10 and 34mm except for when it has been 36mm(2005) and 40mm(2010 Blue Whale) There is already confusion in that most $200 gold is 1 oz except for the annual release which is 1/2 oz. It is just as messed up in the base metal coins where we aren't dealing with precious metal costs and affordability concerns. All quarters are 24mm and all 50c are 27mm except for some that are 35mm because.... Well I don't really know why. |
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
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Quote:All I am saying is that the RCM denominations are a mess. I couldn't agree more! Take, for example, the 36 millimeter (mm) planchet for the Silver Dollar. Over the years, the Mint has used the same planchet for $5, $8, $10, $15 and $25 coins. A complete departure from the historical assignment of planchets based on denomination/intrinsic value relationship to other denominations! We've both had to absorb changes to the purity/fineness of the SD planchet over its series run. From the 0.800 silver fineness of the SD's circulation days, to 0.500 fine in the first two decades of the NCLT years, to 0.925 fine, to 0.999 fine, back to 0.925 fine and then back to 0.999 fine. At least, however, the diameter remained 36 mm. So, for me at least, the fineness change was not much of an issue, even acknowledging the silver weight decrease of today's planchet. I wrote about the changing fineness and weight of the SDs back in 2017. Here's a link to it: - The Changing Silver Content Of Canada's Commemorative Silver DollarsCollecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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08/31/2022 11:02 am
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Thanks Vonigohcr for your Monthly post on RCM releases.... Now here we go again.....something is messed up at the RCMint. I am a Masters Club Platinum Member. After logging on to RCM website last night, I noticed this months releases were already posted on the website. I attempted to purchase the Silver SML Fractional Set. When attempting to add it to my cart an error came up "item not added to your cart". So I abandoned the purchase. This morning the Silver SML Fractional Set still appeared on the website, and this time I was able to add to my cart and actually purchase the set. I also received my confirmation e-mail from the RCM after purchasing the item. Now tonight none of this months releases are posted on the website, not even the Silver SML Fractional Set that I purchased this morning. Now I believe the higher tier members may see the releases today and tomorrow depending on their level. Normally the Platinum members will not see the releases until Thursday, but for me they appeared last night and early today but have since disappeared. Anyone else notice that the September release appeared on the website but is now gone. |
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Tender4848, same thing here. When this month's releases were listed here I went onto the RCM website and was able to view, but when I went online last evening they were gone. Even this morning, still not there. I'm not a huge fan of the new improved website anyway. |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I am MC Diamond and none of the September releases show up for me under the MC banner. They do show up under "New Releases" but only when I am logged in. One observation with the new website... it will drop your login session without warning and with a very short inactivity timeout. If you can't see the new releases, check whether you are still logged in.
For an update:
- Gold UHR Timber Wolf and Canadian Passage "jigsaw" puzzle are shown as sold out and the Renewed $ is showing as Awaiting Stock
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Pillar of the Community
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I too am so disappointed with the new RCM website. Why did they think they had to fix something that was not broken? I am so uninspired by the September new releases, that I could not bring myself to post them. Thank you @vonigohcr for doing so. |
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 with the above comments about denominations. I'm not sure what it would take to fix the "mess". Thoughts? |
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Another month of lacklustre releases by the RCM. The mint must be running out of ideas as they recycle the puzzle coin for a 4th time. Another sml fractional set which seem to be an annual release. Who buys these coins as they are almost the same every year except for the date change. A $4300 1 oz gold coin same design as the bullion version. Might as well buy the bullion version which comes in a card and capsule and $1700 cheaper. |
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CCF Master Historian of USA Commemoratives
United States
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Quote:with the above comments about denominations. I'm not sure what it would take to fix the "mess". Thoughts? Of course, the past can't be corrected, but going forward I would suggest: That each denomination have its own distinctive planchet with size and weight changing for each. For the silver NCLT coins... I would base things off the Silver Dollar as it dates back to 1935 as the core "Unit" coin for Canada, and assume 0.999 silver fineness for all:
$1: 36.07 millimeters (mm) in diameter, weight of 23.175 grams weight !74.5% of a troy ounce)
$5: 37 mm diameter, weight of ~25 grams (~80% of a troy ounce)
$10: 34 mm diameter, but thicker than present standard with a weight of 28 grams (~90% of a troy ounce)
$20: 38 mm diameter, weight of one troy ounce
$25: 40 mm diameter, weight of 1.1 troy ounces It wouldn't be a perfect match to the historical comparative intrinsic values of various denomination planchets, but, IMO, it would make more logical sense that what is currently done. Collecting history one coin or medal at a time! (c) commems. All rights reserved.
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09/02/2022 11:07 am
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Not a bad suggestion, I would add:
$3: 27mm 7.8g (quarter oz)... I quite like the Moments to Hold / $20 for $20 form factor.
In gold, recognising that all 14K and 22K are no longer available and the only options are 99.99% and 99.999%, I would recommend:
$100 - 20mm - Quarter oz - 99.99% (as much as I dislike the new form factor for the annual release, it makes sense now it isn't alloyed)
$200 - 28mm - Half Ounce - 99.99% (Current annual release)
$250 - 30mm - Ounce - 99.99% (replace the current $200 - 1 ounce form)
$275 - 30mm - Ounce - 99.999% (if you want to differentiate the 5 nines variety)
$350 - 34mm - 1.1 -> 2oz - 99.999% (no need to sell in 4 nines)
Just an opinion.
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Yes @commems, that would work nicely. Good suggestion! FWIW I'd be OK including the $15 and $25 denominations with the $20 diameter since there are not too many (knock on wood) $15 and $25 releases. Happy collecting!  |
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I've made this suggestion to my mint rep many times. Shortly after the mint started the $/4/$ coins. They did stick to some sort of $ to Silver content for that lot. 1 ounce = $100, $200 was 2 ounce, and $20 was 1/4 ounce with $50 for a 1/2 ounce.
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I've made this suggestion to my mint rep many times. Shortly after the mint started the $/4/$ coins. They did stick to some sort of $ to Silver content for that lot. 1 ounce = $100, $200 was 2 ounce, and $20 was 1/4 ounce with $50 for a 1/2 ounce. I really liked the $4$ series and was disappointed that it was not better positioned so that there were less opportunities for abuse and ultimately withdrawal. As to the rep comment... my experience is they are little better than order takers right now. They don't really have, or use, any channel into the designers or decision makers. |
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