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1913 DDR FS-1802 Buffalo

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I have had this coin for so long that I've no clue when or from where I got it. The hard part to understand is why it never went under a loupe.
I was digging out a worn 1923 Buffalo to illustrate my Smith effect and came upon it. I didn't have an example of this die so really glad I cherry picked my own stuff!
http://varietyvista.com/03%20Buffal...3PDDR002.htm

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 Posted 08/30/2022  04:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like LDS doubling to me,but not my area.
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Not my area either...but after looking at VV...I believe you are correct...PLURIBUS and UNUM are stong tells here...maybe just a LDS.
Cool discovery!
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That's a dandy! Great coin and DDR.
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Really nice looking example. Congrats on picking yourself.
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I would lean towards saying not the DDR. First, I have not seen the reverse clash through EPU that your example displays. If this clash were known, the removal of it would significantly weaken EPU, which is not visible on known LDS-VLDS examples of the DDR. Also, given the die state of the obverse on your example, the reverse should be VLDS, with even more significant Die Deterioration than what your example shows. I've also never seen an example with the obverse die polishing lines surrounding LIBERTY in that die state. Even in a VLDS example, the doubling on the L of PLURIBUS should be a more distinguished. I agree that we're just seeing some DDD. Still a nice example of a T1! My 5 cents worth.
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Not sure how these pieces of doubling in the Bisons hair can be deterioration doubling. Nickel deterioration doubling usually does not fool me.

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Interesting
I just looked at the Wexler example and the hair doubling doesn't match at all. Definitely not 1802 but I'm not entirely sold on DDD.
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The two marks you notated could be die gouges. The Die Deterioration Doubling I was referring to was on EPU. Die state and die events can be very helpful in determining varieties, especially in a case like this where Die Deterioration causes the effect of doubling or on lower grade circ examples. Die state and the clash just don't add up IMO.
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