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5 Pounds 1887 - Forgery Or A Variation?

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 Posted 08/30/2022  3:56 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pound_p to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like to ask for #1072;n opinion regarding a 5 pound 1887 gold coin .
It has a lot of curious differences in the shape of letters in the inscription on the obverse.
The base of all letters in right of Queen's portrait have a specific curve which is not present in other images of coins tath l have the opportunity to examine . In left part of the inscription the huck is longer at top of the letter D , C is with short space between two ends of the letter,the middle part of the order is wider and bigger in size than other coins from the same yare.
There are also three large differences on reverse side of the coin . The mane of the horse is longer and the lines continues to the back. The tail is longer and the space between the numbers in the yare 1887 is shorter.
Are all these differences are indicating
tath this coin could be one of many forgeries of 5 pound coins made in the same time or later? The test of the quantity of it's gold is showing exactly 22 karts ,the weight and the diameter measures the same as an original coin. If it's a presumably a fake coin why did the forgers made it so different from other and how would it then pass as an original ?
Or if it's a genuine coin could it be a some variation?
Does somone has image of a similar coin to share?
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 Posted 08/30/2022  4:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pound_p to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


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 Posted 08/30/2022  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pound_p to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The second image is for comparison.
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 Posted 08/30/2022  8:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@pound, while I don't have one of these in my collection, here is a link to the numista entry for this coin:

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces79022.html

Perhaps this will help you with your comparison.
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 Posted 08/30/2022  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
thanks for share, as for if its real not sure as the is very uncommon coin. Maybe someone else from sydney might have a different year in their collection or understand bit more about the die varieties for the early colonial Australian gold coins.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  01:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pound_p to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tank you Spence .
I have looked the link of numista.
They have placed a very detailed, high resolution image for compressing .
Additional information is always welcome here.
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Ryurazu ,l agree with you, it would be very helpful if someone has a image of a similar coin from his collection to share here or is more well informed on the subject of varieties at 5 pound 1887 as you suggested.
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 Posted 08/31/2022  05:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hogarth to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Lots of example here.
Click on any thumbnail, then on it again, for an expanded full screen high resolution image.
https://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page...searchtype=1
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Hogarth, tank you for your help !
I looked the link you've added, the information and photo's there are with very high quality. There is a very similar coin there. I'm posting a link of it below .
https://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page...searchtype=2
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 Posted 09/01/2022  01:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
still its a gold coin :D
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 Posted 09/04/2022  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not too sure but I believe some outrageous number of dies were used to strike the 1887 five pound coins - I don't remember off the top of my head but I believe on average each die pair produced 127 or 128 coins, so there will no doubt be some variety.
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