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Traveling again this week and found this. For $12 I thought Id snag it thinking its the S-4 DDO. It is obviously worn past the point of seeing any of the DDO markers, but there is a terminal die state pictured in his books with a massive die crack on the obverse running through the date, across the face and finishing somewhere on the left side of the coin I don't have my snow guides with me, but I'm pretty sure there is a known terminal die state of the S-4 DDO that is pictured in Ricks guide. This coin has the die rotation that is seen with these, and if I recall correctly, this massive die crack looks to be in the same spot as the one pictured in Ricks guide. It would be a neat find as I think there is only one other known with this die state. It also explains why this is such an uncommon variety. It appears the die broke apart very on in its usage. Can anyone here confirm that the die cracks line up? Will be able to do this myself Friday, but I don't want to wait that long!  The picture provided is horrible, but you can see the crack.  |
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Is the coin rotated? It needs to have the rotation, found on all S4c varieties, but it sure looks good I too see the entire crack it's terminal stage for sure. Here is the pertinent part of the page you need from Rick Snow's 2 Vol. book:  I'm going out on a limb and saying it "was" unique, it is no longer a unique die state now after seeing yours. This low grade coin is worthy of a large amount of money now. Congrats!     Only took a decade to turn up another one.  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
08/30/2022 4:44 pm
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Dies are rotated.....Bingo! Thanks West! Thats exactly what I was looking for. I'm 99.9% confident that its the S-4 in its final state. The craziest thing to me is how you can ID a DDO just by a die crack. This coin is in AG condition, yet its readily identifiable. I don't think this coin holds a ton of value, but its probably one of the lowest grade DDOs in the Indian cent Series that can be attributed. By the way.....I have been looking to cherrypick this DDO for years. Crazy how it ends up being the terminal die state in a very low grade! Edited by RedRaider
08/30/2022 4:52 pm
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Amazing example. Is that a clipped planchet? or a shadow from the picture? Nice one for sure.
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner - with some champagne too! Be sure to let Rick know that the S4c is no longer unique. As to value? I agree it's not the coin that will pay off the house, but it's worth somewhere between 10 and 100 times what you paid for it I'd guess. Probably closer to 25 to 50 times the $12 you dropped on it. I've only had two coins like that an 1878-P 8TF VAM 9 and an 1878-S B1 Reverse both bought out of junk buckets in the VF-AU range both worth around $1K when I sold them. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2˘ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
08/30/2022 5:11 pm
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I was holding the coin in the picture, so you see a shadow on the top, and part of my thumb on the bottom.
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No doubt to me that's a S-4C. Congratulations! What a rare and amazing piece. That die crack is easy to see too, even in this grade. I'm sure Rick Snow will be happy to hear another has been confirmed. I'll have to keep a better eye out for these now that more are confirmed.
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Collector of U.S. Coins, Varieties, and Colonial Coinage
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Rick replied with the following message.....
"I don't know what to say about the S4. Its pretty worn. If you want to
send it along with the 1858 SL, please do."
Im pretty confident its the real deal (S-4c). He will confirm and if its true, will hopefully update the guide to say another has been found!
Im sending him an 1858 SL High Leaves reverse in PF64+. Stunning coin BTW.
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Another nice find !
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neat. thats a cool die crack. congrats!
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Spectacular find!! Super neat terminal die state seldom seen on IHCs.
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