1792 Half Disme - Help Identifying This Weird Thing, Thinking Maybe Test Piece Of Possible Fake

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Fishinguy New Member United States 8 Posts	Posted 09/03/2022 2:39 pm The rim says exp 2. Edited by numismatic student 09/08/2022 03:04 am Report this Post to the Staff

tdziemia Pillar of the Community United States 7933 Posts	Posted 09/03/2022 8:21 pm I am guessing this thing is 100% fake. But we will see .... Report this Post to the Staff
Fishinguy New Member United States 8 Posts	Posted 09/03/2022 9:00 pm Ya I'm not very confident it is real, however from my short time digging into birch and his possible European made prototype examples and my limited knowledge of metallurgy this seems to be consistent of that time frame.also I might add no informative replies for the many views leads me to believe possibly others have fallen into the rabbit hole I have.i will post size and weight later tonight to help assist in investigation Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34393 Posts	Posted 09/03/2022 9:04 pm @fish, getting lots of eyes on it is half the battle. I'm tempted to move this thread over to the US colonial subforum, but will keep it here for now since I'm not convinced it is a coin. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 187654 Posts	Posted 09/04/2022 9:34 pm to the Community! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
MisterT Pillar of the Community United States 2001 Posts	Posted 09/04/2022 9:59 pm I just had to subscribe to this topic so I can see what the experts say. Interesting and crude if genuine or not. I wonder if "EXP-2" stands for experimental, and by whom? Report this Post to the Staff
Fishinguy New Member United States 8 Posts	Posted 09/05/2022 01:04 am @ mr.t, experimental, example,are some things I was thinking the exp.2 meant.Birch is also spelled out under the bust.it is rather large at 52mm in diameter. the weight will be found tomorrow. ( my precision reloading scale doesn't go up that high).crude is a fantastic word to describe it.there is a lot of mystery involving Birch and his connections with G.W.i just hope "experts " who are not financially motivated take a look into this.it was with other real colonial coins of value. Report this Post to the Staff
Fishinguy New Member United States 8 Posts	Posted 09/08/2022 02:37 am Hello folks.new member here. I have always been fascinated with American history,especially coins.i started like most others after receiving some Lincoln cents including 1909 vdb from a family member. I recently just acquired a handful of colonial coins which I am very uneducated in. I have been able to identify most of them on my own and some from awesome members in another forum on this site.However there is one piece I am completely stumped on.after reading hours of old transcripts and articles I have found myself going down the rabbit hole.I will say I'm a 33 yr old ,old school ,pen and paper kind of fellow.That being said if this is in the wrong forum or my "etiquette" is not up to par please correct me as I take well to criticism. This is the piece in question. Measuring 52mm in diameter, silver,bronze alloy ,weight is unknown"im purchasing a digital scale tomorrow". The thickness varies dramatically and the piece itself is very primitive .any help gaining knowledge is greatly appreciated. Birch is under the bust and exp.2 is on the rim.I will add this is posted in the identification forum as well.thank you again. The fishing guy. Report this Post to the Staff
numismatic student Bedrock of the Community United States 11880 Posts	Posted 09/08/2022 02:53 am Looks like a fantasy piece created by a fan of early coinage to me. Birch designed a cent with a wreath reverse and the Half Disme with an eagle reverse. This experiment appears to combine elements of the two coins attributed to Bob Birch. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website:https://fairfaxcoins.com Edited by numismatic student 09/08/2022 03:04 am Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34393 Posts	Posted 09/08/2022 07:27 am @fish, since best practice is to only start one thread per piece, I have merged your new topic in with this older one. Please click on the "report this post to the staff" link if you would like to request that the entire thread be moved over to our US Colonial subforum. At least so far the consensus seems to be that you do not have a coin here, so the final resting place may be in our exonumia subforum. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Oldgrouchyguy Pillar of the Community United States 630 Posts	Posted 09/08/2022 4:07 pm Cute, but no cigar Report this Post to the Staff
thecoinguy1964 Pillar of the Community United States 1301 Posts	Posted 09/08/2022 6:56 pm Cast. Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 09/08/2022 7:04 pm Cast fantasy fake. Report this Post to the Staff
Fishinguy New Member United States 8 Posts	Posted 09/08/2022 10:55 pm Thanks for all the informative info.does anyone of you cute experts have an answer as to why this cute fantasy cast would be made of silver.which is not cheap? Report this Post to the Staff
MisterT Pillar of the Community United States 2001 Posts	Posted 09/09/2022 03:08 am Gee, the pictures here make it appear to be copper or bronze. Looking more closely you can see the overall grainy appearance which indicates a casting. Are you certain it is silver and not some pot metal, pewter, or other base metal that had been plated ? Even still it is kinda cool. Report this Post to the Staff
MisterT Pillar of the Community United States 2001 Posts	Posted 09/09/2022 03:12 am Once you get a scale that can read to two decimal points, you can conduct a specific gravity test to see if the results indicate Silver as the metal or if you have access to a shop with XFR, they can tell you the composition. Report this Post to the Staff
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