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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
10/09/2022 2:56 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Hmmm, not a fan of this one. You have posted more eye-appealing coins before.
This one looks like it is made out of cardboard.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Those look like scans so I'll reserve judgment. One concern is the spot below Miss Liberty's chin looks like it was hit by an eraser. Other than that she has excellent remaining detail and is high VF, possibly even XF if deemed weakly struck.
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Bedrock of the Community
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i never know how assess the strike weakness and how it applies to grade on these. my thought on it was always that thats the way it came from the mint so my grades tend to be a little higher.
i have the coin at XF40. if they net for strike then probably VF30 area
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Valued Member
United States
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I was at VF-30, but I see what others are saying about the weak strike.
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Bedrock of the Community
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11880 Posts |
Look like these were struck using terminal state dies given the large die cracks plainly visible on both the obverse and reverse. That seems consistent with not being able to apply enough pressure for a full strike on this coin on the large screw presses still in use in 1799.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
10/09/2022 2:06 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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I don't know anything about these, but isn't this the BB-169 B-21? I scrolled through Heritage looking for that obvious die crack through 1799. Yours also has the repunched star 2 and the reverse die crack at AM. From what I can see the BB-165 has none of those PUPs. (Here's a HA example https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-doll...nail-071515) |
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Bedrock of the Community
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I used the attribution wizard in the earlydollars.org site that Martin Loies runs here to attribute my early dollars. Let me know where you get using the tool.  https://earlydollars.org/wizarddate3.htmIN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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I get a security warning when I click on that link so I'm not going there. Look up the BB-169 on Heritage and the die cracks both sides match the subject coin, possible a die state IV. I don't see anything on a BB-165 that matches. I have no knowledge in this area other than comparing image details.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Looking att he photos, it seems like a great match. The Heritage coin does not show the reverse die crack across OF AMERICA but the coin's description also says that there is a later die state for BB-169: " An even later die state exists for BB-169, with a narrow Cud forming above F in OF on the reverse, unseen on this coin." Maybe that later die state also has the long crack seen on the reverse of this coin. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11880 Posts |
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I'm at VF-35 on this one.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think this would go at XF-40. Center weakness is strike. The rim lettering / stars are bold.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1094 Posts |
I'm at VF35. Nice example. Probably washed out due to scans.
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It's a piece of American history that I wish I owned.  Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1959 Posts |
I hope it looks better in hand. VF
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