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1799 Draped Bust Dollar Normal Date - 7x6 Stars W/ Berries

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 Posted 10/09/2022  1:28 pm Show Profile   Check collector.detector's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add collector.detector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,
I'm in the process of remotely evaluating a friend's collection before I can see it in person. The collection had been in her family since at least the 1950s. This is one of the best pieces. Does anyone with a book about the dies confirm the authenticity? Also, what would the grade be, if it was indeed authentic?
1799-Draped-Bust-Dollar-Normal-Date---7x6-Stars-W/--Berries
1799-Draped-Bust-Dollar-Normal-Date---7x6-Stars-W/--Berries
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 Posted 10/09/2022  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinEnthusiast to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm going to say that this coin is in the low to mid VF range. At about 8 O'Clock on the reverse, there does appear to be some edge damage, but likely not enough to details the coin.
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 Posted 10/09/2022  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismatic student to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I went through the attribution of this coin and came up with BB-165, B-8, same as a coin that I posted here recently. This is a very common 1799 variety.

I did however run into an issue. I looked at the position of star 7 and the L of LIBERTY in the coin's obverse. It does not appear correctly positioned for any of the known obverses. Star 7 seems positioned too high in your coin relative to the base of L in LIBERTY. This is not possible based on the known obverse dies. My assessment is not definitive so you should do further research based on this starting point.

OP's coin:
1799-Draped-Bust-Dollar-Normal-Date---7x6-Stars-W/--Berries

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1799-Draped-Bust-Dollar-Normal-Date---7x6-Stars-W/--Berries
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS
THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: "It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat."
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10/09/2022 2:43 pm
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Nice original looking VF-30.
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Date position is wrong for it to be BB-165. Looks like a dead match to BB-167. Took me a while to find one with the same die crack through AM near rim but here's one https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-doll...bnail-071515

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1799 $1 7x6 Stars AU55 NGC. B-14, BB-167, R.3. Bowers-Borckardt Die State IV. This is the latest die state recorded in the Bowers-Borckardt reference, with a die crack connecting the tops of AME. That crack extends left nearly to the wing, and appears to emerge from the right top of the E.
Looks authentic, not sure about grade.
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 Posted 10/09/2022  6:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Real. VF35 to XF40. Nice original, uncleaned, unmessed with coin. Hope it is able to stay that way!
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Thank you to all. I agree. It is a very original and attractive piece.
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XF40. the little rim issue reverse will not detail the coin imo
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I'm also in VF-35 to XF-40 range on this one.
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 Posted 10/10/2022  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say VF-30, possibly 35. Nice example.
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