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1951 New Zealand One Florin Die Clash Obverse Near Kings Sideburn/Ear

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Is this die clash common in New Zealand Florin's.


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The spiked hairs of the kiwi clashed
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Wow, it doesn't look like it. That may be a brand new discovery. Doesn't appear on the NZ Error page at the moment. Maybe you need to get in contact with them and get a confirmation on it or at least see what they say. http://www.coinerrors.co.nz/wordpre...0-cent-mule/
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Your right gnome I just checked error list on florins none exist for 1950 or 1951 New Zealand florin dieclash I have both but the 1951 is alot more better quality, on the 1950 also similar die clash but the kings hair lines are a little worn. Some good news then
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Here's the 1950 New Zealand Florin die clash.


1951-New-Zealand--One-Florin-Die-Clash-Obverse-Near-Kings-Sideburn/Ear
1951-New-Zealand--One-Florin-Die-Clash-Obverse-Near-Kings-Sideburn/Ear

This quality is alot under the belt compared too the 1951 coin, near sideburns and I think in the ear.
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I do not know what the line is on the reverse of coin any thoughts are welcome.
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Far be it for me to get involved in an educated discussion on die clash errors but......

Allcoinage, I don't personally think it is possible for a clash error to occur in the positions you are showing.
Both of these locations on the working dies are well apart when the faces of the top and bottom die come together in the absence of a blank.
I mean that's what happens. The blank for whatever reason does not show up on time and bam...the two die faces clash. Even though both dies are treated to the same hardness, sharp edges will prevail over flat surfaces, and an incuse dent will be pressed into the flat surface of the opposite die. When the next cycle occurs, and the very tardy blank does decide to bless us with it's presence, that dent will cause a raised relief in the minted coin. Therefore, a die clash mark on a coin will be a raised area, not a dent or gouge. The latter are all just PMD.
There is really no way for the central area of the Kiwi to clash with the sideburns and ear of the kings head... there will be daylight between them on impact.

Here's a very simple, not to scale, really badly drawn section through the two dies. The fields (the background flats on a coin), are generally the highest points on a die and the ones that will clash with each other. Two flat areas clashing won't generally leave a clash mark, but the sharp outer edge of a device (kiwi, kings head, lettering etc) may gouge into the flat field surface where they coincide at impact.

and as I said... far be it for me.... please carry on.

@gnome......well played sir.

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Question then how could spikes be same as those marked near ear= sideburn, so what your saying ttkoo is that it's impossible to have any clash what so ever on head or middle of coins.
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This looks like it has clash near a side burn.


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It's ok I keep looking if this is not a clash thanks.
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I never say never.....but highly unlikely. Unless there is a way for the dies to flex..... now you've got me thinking.
And that obverse you put up with the pattern of lumps by the queens ear. What denomination is that one?
It looks like it has clashes behind the hair bun, and all the way down the face, from the forehead to under the chin.
Those are where you would expect to find clashes, but not by the ear..... however, it does look compelling!
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so what your saying ttkoo is that it's impossible to have any clash what so ever on head or middle of coins.

Yes. We keep telling you this, you keep not listening.

The clash of "W" - I assume that's what you're seeing around the "H" in THE - is possible, but clashed kiwi feathers on the king's chin on a KGVI NZ florin is not possible.

If there is damage that "kinda looks like a die clash", but it's on the high points of a coin, and it's opposite the high points on the other side of that coin design, always assume it's not a die clash. Because 99.999999999% of the time, it won't be.
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Good one gnome lol
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Can you check out the w clash if it is one and yes sap I understand now, ttko I also copied diagram so I can use for my finding.
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I'm not seeing a clash the W and the H. If it is there it's really of no significance. Keep searching until you find that clash that really pops... some nice eye candy.
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