1970 S Cent Ld/Sd Identification Help

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Ozzy5150 Valued Member United States 117 Posts	Posted 10/20/2022 7:53 pm Thank you all for looking and any insight. I'd just quickly like to know your opinion on this coin if it's a small date or large date. I believe it's a large date but please let me know if I'm wrong. I understand all the identifiers but I'm a little confused about this one. Thank you. Report this Post to the Staff

Dearborn Moderator United States 95936 Posts	Posted 10/20/2022 8:09 pm Correct, that would be a large date. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
I6609 Pillar of the Community United States 1231 Posts	Posted 10/20/2022 8:11 pm Large date tail on the 9 points at the mint mark. Small date tail points at the 7 half way up small date also known as high 7 where it is up even with the 9 and 0 on the top of the date Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 10/20/2022 8:26 pm Agree, large date. Report this Post to the Staff
ijn1944 Bedrock of the Community United States 19154 Posts	Posted 10/20/2022 8:37 pm Yes, large date it is. For me, the 9 tells the story.. Report this Post to the Staff
Ozzy5150 Valued Member United States 117 Posts	Posted 10/20/2022 11:09 pm Sorry to do this. That coin is actually from reputable grading company certified as 1970 S SD FS-1401 BN AU-58.If you'd like to look for yourselves then simply search those parameters. My motive is 2-fold, Mostly I feel much more sane than I have over the last year. I'd simply like to point out the subjectivity where there should be as little as possible. Everyone makes mistakes and I completely understand things like this will come up. I've found several improperly certified coins. I've let it go until today because most of the others I've found are minor and most wouldn't notice unless really looking hard. This was to flagrant to not ask an opinion. That said, I appreciate everyone's input and knowledge in the forum and will be the first to say that some of the best insight is found amomgst the members. Thank You All Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95936 Posts	Posted 10/20/2022 11:14 pm If that is the case, Will you post up this coin and its slab? Which TPG graded it? what is the cert number? Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Ozzy5150 Valued Member United States 117 Posts	Posted 10/21/2022 12:31 am I will certainly get the information I have available. I will at least leave a link to where I found the info. Report this Post to the Staff
Ozzy5150 Valued Member United States 117 Posts	Posted 10/21/2022 03:51 am Hope this doesn't step on any toes. PCGS Cert#39644628 I think this is all you are asking for. Again, I know if several examples of rather obvious discrepancies. I don't go looking for them. I come across them when I'm studying a specific variety and use the great pictures as a resource to become as familiar with the pick-up points and small details as possible. To be clear, My intent was based out of frustration not malice. I'm a very analytical/logic based thinker and it becomes nearly unbearable when it seems that rules are based on interpretation or subjectivity. Again, Thank You all for the support and vast knowledge base. Edited by Ozzy5150 10/21/2022 04:01 am Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95936 Posts	Posted 10/21/2022 09:01 am Well, I think that PCGS made an error on that one. I'm going to message them to see if that could be the issue. you see, looking at the tru-view of the PCGS image (which IS the image you posted above), the 7 looks to be lower that the 0 of the date - also the S mint mark is not correct for a small date - the small date MM has rounded terminations of the S at top and bottom, while the large date has flat serifs Also the top loop of the 9 is pointing towards the MM (indicating a large date) not towards the bottom of the 7 (indicating a small date). I could be wrong but this IS my opinion and I'm sticking by it. Any other opinions here? Edit: forgot to post up a comparison image. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 10/21/2022 10:57 am Report this Post to the Staff
Ozzy5150 Valued Member United States 117 Posts	Posted 10/21/2022 10:40 am Dearborn, I generally agree with your assessment. I do have a few pics of 1970 S that are hard to identify. I'll be as detailed as possible as to what I'm seeing. I'll post them shortly. Slightly related, has the US mint ever commonly re-used working dies? Is it possible for a working die to be re-hubbed and used for multiple runs? I can't find specific info on this. Current info suggest a penny die will strike 1 million coins.Even at that # over 5000+ pairs just for pennies. I'm familiar with the process I've read and watched everything I can find. The answer to this question will determine my next topic. Thank you all. Report this Post to the Staff
RobO411 Pillar of the Community United States 2404 Posts	Posted 10/21/2022 11:56 am Well. If you've notice how many numerous questions I've asked about a certain coin Even I saw that this was a large date. Yes people make mistakes but this one is pretty bad. Especially for a reputable company. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 10/21/2022 2:40 pm Looks like contact flattening on the 70 on the date. There are some different looking doubled dies on that year. So you might want to check to see what they look like. But I can't see anything hinting towards a doubled die on the coin images so far. http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...201970-S.htm Take a look at some of these to see what to look for on the '70' date area. (Also seen on other mints that year): 1970-D: http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...201970-D.htm 1970: http://www.varietyvista.com/01b%20L...O%201970.htm Report this Post to the Staff
Cujohn Pillar of the Community United States 7174 Posts	Posted 10/21/2022 3:54 pm Makes you wonder what it takes to become a TPG employee. Report this Post to the Staff
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