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1963 P LMC Struck Through Capped Die (Proof?)

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I posted this coin awhile back and the photos weren't that great. The coin has been cleaned, evident by fine lines on obverse, but there was a suggestion that the coin could also be a proof strike. Any chance this is a proof strike capped die?

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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
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Some of those struck through die cap coins are really shiny. Something about how they are struck that seems to prevent them from aging like a normal coin and can look very proofish. Makes some of them pretty hard to photograph.
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My vote is not a proof strike.
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The reverse is well struck (by an early die state die) judging by the nice clear steps but the polishing that is evident between the right planter and CENT seems too rough for a proof die.

I'm with John1, not proof dies.
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Thanks for the feedback gang!


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The reverse is well struck (by an early die state die) judging by the nice clear steps but the polishing that is evident between the right planter and CENT seems too rough for a proof die.


Petespockets55 - After reading this I focused on comparing the steps on PCGS between Proof and MS, and this coin. From what I see, the steps on this coin are better struck than even the MS67 coins. Maybe the 67+ is equivalent. The definition in the steps here look more like a proof strike imo. The polish lines do indicate a business strike but how likely are these lines on a such an early die state? and could these lines be due to something else besides polishing?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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There are no polishing lines on a proof die.
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I'm not sure if there is any way to tell if the mint used any proof dies on business strikes in 1963.
It might be interesting to see if many die caps occur on EDS dies. Meaning, do early crisp dies contribute to coins getting stuck to dies and helping create die caps?

(ps. Looks like there might be remnants of a clash on the rev at the roof above column #10 and possibly an abraded forehead clash below the right planter)
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Nice struck thru capped die. Doesn't look like a proof on the reverse to me. Just thinking about the process, you would expect a strong strike on the side opposite the die cap because of the extra layer of metal causing an increase in striking pressure.
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