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1978 D 1c Floating Die Clash?

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 Posted 11/22/2022  7:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add oddguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What can I say that others have not? Very nice find.
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 Posted 11/22/2022  8:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, the incuse rim impression is a puzzle. It should be raised. But I'm considering other explanations for this unexpected feature. Nevertheless, the raised, correctly facing letters "NT" show this is a floating counterclash.
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 Posted 11/22/2022  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my eyes, the rim clash only appears incuse. In the macro shot, the edges are raised, from a little distance the interior appears incuse but is not.
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Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 11/22/2022  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That will produce an incuse appearance, for sure. The medial raised edge probably represents the medial edge of the die's rim gutter, transferred from die, to fragment, and then back to die. The lateral raised edge is rough looking and might represent damage to the edge of the fragment. The 1983 "extra letters" counterclash cent also features two arcing lines.
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 Posted 11/22/2022  8:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Mike, that circular feature that is incuse on this coin, appears to be too wide to be the rim of a coin (comparing it to the actual rim of this coin, that feature looks to be twice as wide as a normal rim. Is it possible that this incuse feature be from something else (I can't think what)?
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 Posted 11/22/2022  8:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It doesn't look excessively wide to me. But I'm sure there could be other explanations for its presence and appearance.
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 Posted 11/23/2022  4:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you CCF for all the congratulatory comments on this find!

It's great too knowing there is at least a little something more to hunt for in the exceedingly monotonous slogs through the late 70's cents.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 11/23/2022  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm sure people will be searching intently for this counterclash once my article comes out.
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 Posted 11/25/2022  08:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent news and congrats. Another CoinWorld magazine coin discovered and shared by a member here.

(I've been waiting for Mike's determination once he got a chance to look at it.)
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 Posted 12/03/2022  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The article on this new floating counterclash is now available in the online edition of Coin World.
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 Posted 12/03/2022  09:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Back Searching through Pre-1983 Cents.... Great Find, Excellent Eyes !!!!
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 Posted 12/03/2022  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Chase007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats on your new discovery.
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 Posted 12/03/2022  3:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks great, thanks again Mike!

Thanks morgansdad and chase007 too!

I don't know how nicknames get assigned but since the 1983 and the 1985 have one, might I suggest a couple.. The "RoofTop Letters" or "T-in Roof" maybe?

Another observation is that the double arcing lines on the 1983 & 1985 CCL's and the 1984 examples look different from this example due to split plating.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 12/03/2022  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I provided an impromptu name for the 1985 specimen, to assist folks in identifying it from photos. It's not an official moniker.
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 Posted 12/03/2022  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Got it, I guess it's appropriate for the 83 CCL's to have names since there are two of them.

http://lincolncentresource.com/Feat...Letters.html
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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