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1893-S Morgan Silver Dollar - Real 1893 But The S Is Added.

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So this coin has been to PCGS and came back in the dreaded body bag. It was certified as an altered 1893 (s added) So what to do with it? Is there a jeweler that will remove the S for me? I would like to sell it and the 1893 isn't exactly without value. did the schmo that altered it completely ruin it?

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Try to soak the MM in acetone , if it was glued on it should come off .
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Good advice, you may salvage it. Let us know!
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Can you post a good picture of the mm?
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Does it have the dagnostic die line in the T of Liberty?
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Is it too late to return it to who you purchsed it from?
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Check if there's any sign of a repaired hole in the rim near the S. Some fakers drill a hole and raise a mint mark from the inside. If that's the case, you'd have to buff it off.
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Fortunately, I am not out any money with this coin. It was a part of my grandfathers collection I inherited.

When you mention the diagnostic die mark is that for a 1893-P? I know the die mark for the 1893-S is not there. That was one of the first things my local coin dealer checked.


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The solvent worked but not without a little scrapping. Unfortunately, it left the area of the mm pretty scratched up. Perhaps someone will still be interested in purchasing it. after inspecting the rest of the coin more thoroughly I did notice that it has doubling on the right stars. VAM world labels it as a VAM 4. I guess that would be worth noting to assure that it is indeed an 1893-P. It's just had a rough life lol.


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Thats a reasonable result to remove the fake mint mark.

I suggest when you offer this for sale that you tell the entire story up front so there are no surprises to the buyer. Keeps you looking honest when the mint mark location comes into question. Best of wishes on the sale.
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Did the S come off intact?
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Did the S come off intact?



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The solvent worked but not without a little scrapping. Unfortunately, it left the area of the mm pretty scratched up.

I'm assuming the solvent worked but how did you get so much damage to the MM area ?
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I'm assuming the solvent worked but how did you get so much damage to the MM area ?


Well, the only real tool I had available was an xacto knife. It took a bit of scrapping to dislodge the S and it seemed to have an area around the mm that was added. like a flat base. I'm assuming to match the coins surface and help the mm stick. I'm also thinking they "textured" the original surface to help form the bond.

Anyway, now I'm starting to question the date. I would hate to sell this and have that be altered as well. Should I soak the date in acetone? Does the 1893-P have any identifying die markers to help authenticate it being a true 1893-P?
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I think everyone in this forum would have told you not to use an Exacto. I wouldn't mess with it anymore.
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Yeeeaaah I probably shouldn't have gone straight for the knife. Kinda wishing I could take that one back. Oh well. I did spend some time researching the dies of the 1893-P and am 100% sure it is a VAM 4. So I guess the best thing to
Do would be to send it into anac to get it authenticated. I feel it's going to be a tough coin to sell with the shady history and mm area damage.
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It will probably come back AU Details - Tooled and Cleaned. Still worth getting certified for resale value. AU-50 straight is around an $800 coin. So my guess is this could sell for $300-$400
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