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Jay1234 Valued Member United States 379 Posts	Posted 12/23/2022 2:05 pm I was told that this Chach coin was minted under the ruler Vanvan but I have found very little online information. Specifically, I was given Shagalov-Kuznetsov 22 as a catalog reference. Perhaps someone with the Shagalov, V. D and A. V. Kuznetsov, Catalogue of coins of Chach can help identify. Ideally, I'd like to know the name of the ruler, timeframe, and catalog number. This coin is 20mm and 3.75g. Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34397 Posts	Posted 12/23/2022 5:36 pm @jay, try using the keyword WANWAN on Zeno.ru for several examples to compare against yours. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Jay1234 Valued Member United States 379 Posts	Posted 12/24/2022 1:57 pm Thanks Spence. There are definitely a few examples on there and the tamgha looks correct for Wanwan just not finding an exact match. The text to the right of the tamgha on m coin looks a little different than any of the online photos I've seen. Report this Post to the Staff
Kushanshah Pillar of the Community United States 1554 Posts	Posted 12/24/2022 3:52 pm Shagalov and Kuznetsov categorize the Chach coins by Group, Period and Version. Group I are coins of the op type with obverse portrait left and tamgha reverse. They are believed to have been struck from c. 3rd to 6th century AD. The ruler's name on the earliest fine-style versions of the first period has been interpreted as "Wanwan" (wnwn). It has also been suggested that "Wanwan" may not a name but an epithet derived from a Sogdian word meaning "victorious". The Sogdian legend deteriorates as time goes on. Because of the degenerate reverse legend, I would classify your coin as no earlier than Period II. The illustrations in Sh&K are only a representative sampling of many varieties, which include a number of variants of the tamgha and degree of degeneration of the legend. #22, for example, has a different tamgha with the upper hook to the left and a pellet in the right lobe. I do not see a perfect match to your coin. "Sh&K Period I ('Wanwan' type), Group II" is about as specific as I think we can get. You can get some idea of the range of variation at Zeno: https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=913 Edited by Kushanshah 12/24/2022 3:58 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Jay1234 Valued Member United States 379 Posts	Posted 01/02/2023 12:18 pm Thanks Kushanshah! This is very helpful! Report this Post to the Staff
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