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-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8800 Posts	Posted 01/07/2023 7:04 pm Quote: If they are scratches on the dies. ( Three different dies used?) Would they be considered ( markers?) Rob, if it is as I suspect, the doubling was on the working hubs, creating many of these dies and then you would have the even more, working dies, that could then have multiple, different markers. If the doubling is on the working hub, there are a pile of these out there and worth little of nothing. This was what created the multitude of DDO's in 2017, that then went away, because it was figured out, over time, that they were from working hubs and not working dies. -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8800 Posts	Posted 01/07/2023 7:08 pm coop, the doubling Rob is referring to, is on the shield area, below EPU. He just has multiple coins, showing the same doubling but with different markers, showing as die scratches, in EPU. I think he has found doubling from a working hub and then different die markers, from different working dies. -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 97914 Posts	Posted 01/07/2023 8:53 pm I see a common mark on all 3 of the first images posted by the OP: What do you make of these marks? They all have the same size and shape and location.. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 01/07/2023 8:54 pm Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8800 Posts	Posted 01/07/2023 9:10 pm Are you asking me, Dearborn? -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 97914 Posts	Posted 01/07/2023 9:16 pm Quote: Are you asking me, Dearborn? Possibly, I see a lot of die scratches on these dies in different places, but the marks I circled are on all 3 and I don't under stand how that can be. So, if you have a theory, I'd love to hear it. or from anyone in general I guess. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8800 Posts	Posted 01/07/2023 11:33 pm Quote: Possibly, I see a lot of die scratches on these dies in different places, but the marks I circled are on all 3 and I don't under stand how that can be. So, if you have a theory, I'd love to hear it. or from anyone in general I guess. So, I guess my first question would be, are you up to speed on the doubled working hubs and how that would have a major roll in this? Second, there could be "markers" on the working hub too, that would carry over, not sure if there are variations of the working hub (die stages, as such) but would think so, as they are called "working" hubs but would have to have someone, better than me, to verify this. Thirdly, you have the working dies, that come after the working hubs (that, my theory, is they are doubled, the working hubs, that is) and they too (the working dies), will have their own markers, which would explain, why we see different markers on the same doubled coin. I did this on about 9 toddies, so not sure if I explained everything correctly. Hoping my betters, which are many, will correct me, if I'm wrong. -makecents- Edited by -makecents- 01/07/2023 11:36 pm Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8800 Posts	Posted 01/07/2023 11:44 pm It's fantastic, that you ask the questions you do though, Dearborn, not many do. I feel you are a kindred spirit, not worried about what others think. I personally could care less about being wrong but do like to know things and will ask or even butt heads sometimes to get an answer I need, even if it's not what I may think at the time or want to hear. I have been wrong, probably more times than I have been right, but it has taught me much. Got no problem with that.... -makecents- Edited by -makecents- 01/07/2023 11:45 pm Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8800 Posts	Posted 01/08/2023 12:40 am So, get back with me, Rob, Silvio, HGK3 and Dearborn, need some answers, so I can sleep at night. -makecents- Edited by -makecents- 01/08/2023 12:41 am Report this Post to the Staff
RobO411 Pillar of the Community United States 2404 Posts	Posted 01/08/2023 09:50 am @makecents. Thank you for pointing out what I was curious about. The markings/markers on the shield under the letters E PLURIBUS. If you've noticed from some of the past questions I've asked. I'm with you about not worrying about what questions I ask. I'm here at CCF to find out about coins. Even if it's an obvious answer maybe it'll help others as well as me. Lol. Once in awhile the answer I get I say ( noooo) that can't be right. I'm right ! This question about markers sure has brought out some great information, answers and questions from many CCF members. @dearborn. Those are some of the other markers which are cracks on the upper part of the shield. All three have them just some are wore down from circulation. Getting back to "working hubs". I'd like to find out how Tanner Scott/Tanman figured out those 2017P DDOs working hubs? I'm going to try. Thanks all for participating and commenting. Rob Edited by RobO411 01/08/2023 09:53 am Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 01/08/2023 3:30 pm When you start finding a lot of the same questionable areas, and they are easy to find, then a red flag goes up. Then you look at it differently from then on. Report this Post to the Staff
silviosi Pillar of the Community Canada 6244 Posts	Posted 01/08/2023 4:16 pm @ HGK3: Please look at the video not the text. In the video you see that the CNC made incuse which it is not Hub. The text was from before, the webs employees change the numbers more then the text. They has no clue about production. Thanks. Report this Post to the Staff
Petespockets55 Pillar of the Community United States 5792 Posts	Posted 01/08/2023 8:16 pm Interesting discusion. One other minor correction. The coin presses can make up to 720 coins per minute (not 750). (4 die pair x 3 strikes per second x 60 seconds) Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups. We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow. Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8800 Posts	Posted 01/08/2023 8:41 pm Thanks for bringing this back to the top, man and the extra info on the coins per minute. So no answer back from Silvio, HGK3 or Dearborn. Thanks for getting back with me, Rob! Now I won't sleep tonight! -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 97914 Posts	Posted 01/08/2023 8:47 pm oops, got busy with house and yard work.. I forgot about this topic.. (even though I had plenty of time for other topics... lol) Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 97914 Posts	Posted 01/08/2023 8:57 pm Quote: It's fantastic, that you ask the questions you do though, Dearborn, not many do. I feel you are a kindred spirit, not worried about what others think. Yeah well, when I see something that doesn't add up or make sense to me I need to ask. Quite a few time, I think I made a fool of myself - but oh well - the sun still came back up the next night..(or was that the Moon?) Anyway, back on topic. The three pictures I re-posted with the blue encirclements (a military term) are on 3 different coins and then on the came 3 different coins there are die gouges in different locations under EPU. So 'I'm guessing that my encirclements were on a master die and got re-engraved to working dies (a few of them) THEN, then the different working dies each got gouged in some way then put to work making coins. Am I even remotely correct here? EDIT: I forgot about working hubs - I'm sure they fit into this equation somewhere (I hope you can sleep now Makecents.) Or are you now wide awake? Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 01/08/2023 9:10 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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