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Anyone Collect Papal Lead Bulls?

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 Posted 01/18/2023  05:18 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I see less of these than I'd imagine in Rome. I've read a lot about them online, but they do not seem particularly heavily collected.

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 Posted 01/18/2023  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't know much about these lead bulla. You could do a Google search to find out more. I have a few Papal coins, oldest is AR testone Paul IV year 1558.
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01/18/2023 12:14 pm
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@livingwater. I read a lot about them online, but they seem to be fairly off the radar. I went to a more specialized shop today and I'll post a few pictures later tonight. There do not seem to be many records on them and they are fairly poorly made given the significance, ie the Pope's signature.
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Here are the only other ones I found at shops retail in rome...

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 Posted 01/18/2023  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingwater to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The British Museum has some info about them...

https://finds.org.uk/counties/finds...apal-bullae/

Seals for documents have been used since ancient times. The Babylonians and Assyrians used stone cylinder seals with designs and pressed them on soft clay cuneiform tablets. I have a late Roman lead seal of unknown person, bought from an auction years ago. Whoever it was must have been upper class, perhaps a politician or officer in the military. I doubt the poor had any reason to seal a document or maybe seal a box.

The Papacy continued this practice with their lead bullae. Hot wax with an impression was/is also used. I haven't done much reading about seals, but they are interesting. Some people collect bullae, old seals, old weights and scales, tokens, etc. but they are not as popular as coins. I have a few lead Scotland communion tokens from 1600s to 1800s which were used by churches to affirm you were a member before you could partake in the sacrament.

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Most interesting, thanks for sharing.
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Thanks @livingwater and Coinfrog.

I have one other bulla I posted some time ago, but I have still yet to place it; also a few religious and communion type tokens. I think these papal bullae are interesting in that they function as the Pope's signature - so it can be fairly tightly tied to a time and person - on fairly important missives from the Vatican. They are all priced fairly high, so I will probably pass on them, but nonetheless interesting to research.
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