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Satchmo64 Valued Member United States 79 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 3:02 pm Been roll hunting for quite a while but I never ran across anything like this one. It's not erosion bcuz it's the opposite of erosion. On top above the surface. 75 Lincoln found random search. The other side is just fine. It's not glue or epoxy it's copper. Anyone ever find anything like this. ? Report this Post to the Staff

Dearborn Moderator United States 95936 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 3:06 pm That looks like some kind of adhesive (glue, epoxy) or something. If it were copper, it would not be see-through. I can see the lettering of 'IN GOD" and the ST of States, and also the L of liberty under the substance on this coin. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 01/23/2023 3:13 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95936 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 3:08 pm Also, Please don't up load images of images (screen shots) they are too pixelated for close examination. Upload the actual images your scope takes please. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 3:26 pm Looks like a foreign substance of some sort. to the CCF! Report this Post to the Staff
Satchmo64 Valued Member United States 79 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 3:41 pm The original pics I had to crop in order to fit the required size They are not screen shot. Sorry about all the pics first time posting and my phone doesn't upload sometimes. Also of course you can see the words bcuz they are not the part that is effected. Just tiny parts of the words. I have this thing under a scope and I always rule out epoxy and glue and other stuff bcuz I go through boxes of pennies and I am quite aware of all those things. The material is copper just like the rest of the coin. I didn't ask what It was I asked if anyone else has one basically. I'm no newb. 58. Been doing this a while. Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 3:42 pm Glue is not a lamination issue. Post strike altered coin. Report this Post to the Staff
Satchmo64 Valued Member United States 79 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 3:56 pm Actually the part in the middle is obviously epoxy of some type but I put the microscope all the way down to get a really close view and it's definitely copper around the edges. Report this Post to the Staff
ijn1944 Bedrock of the Community United States 19155 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 4:19 pm Suggest giving the coin a long soak in 100% acetone--might not do anything if epoxy is involved, but will reduce most other non-metallic crud. Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7510 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 4:22 pm It sure is different as mentioned it looks like it is some form of glue/gunk/ foreign substance ,how it got on it is not important, know that it did not leave the mint looking that way.... Report this Post to the Staff
Cujohn Pillar of the Community United States 7174 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 7:17 pm The middle is glue, but the edge is not. Acetone it. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16827 Posts	Posted 01/23/2023 10:26 pm Quote: Actually the part in the middle is obviously epoxy of some type but I put the microscope all the way down to get a really close view and it's definitely copper around the edges. I think Occam's razor applies here. There are two postulated hypotheses to describe this coin: 1. The coin has glue, varnish or some similar foreign substance attached to it, and this is what is causing the odd lumps in the middle, and the odd lumps at the rims. 2. The coin is some kind of super-disintegrated die error with lots of gigantic rim Cuds, where lots of "extra copper" has been added to the rim yet somehow manages to still preserve some of the details underneath the " Cuds" (such as the L in LIBERTY), and then many years later, the coin was epoxy-glued onto a surface via a blog of glue only in the centre of the coin, on the same side as the weird mint error occurred, in such a way that it kind of looks like "epoxy" is the cause of both defects, but it really isn't. Occam's Razor says that the "simplest" explanation is the one that's most likely to be true. And clearly, explanation 1 is the "simplest". Whenever you see any kind of "error coin" or "damaged coin", Occam's Razor says that it's best to assume just a single event has caused all of the apparent damage. Because in 99.995% of cases, it is indeed all caused by a single event. Most coins don't have awesome mint errors on them, and most coins don't get epoxied onto something so that the glue sticks to it. Both events are rather improbable. Having multiple highly improbable coin-damaging events all happen to the same coin is extra-improbable. I can assure you, that whatever the glop attached to this coin is, that it has caused both the lumps in the middle, and the lumps around the rims. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
Chase007 Pillar of the Community United States 7510 Posts	Posted 01/24/2023 11:37 am Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95936 Posts	Posted 01/24/2023 12:27 pm Quote: William of Ockham (circa 1287-1347) was an English Franciscan friar and theologian, an influential medieval philosopher and a nominalist. His popular fame as a great logician rests chiefly on the maxim attributed to him and known as Occam's razor. The term razor refers to distinguishing between two hypotheses either by "shaving away" unnecessary assumptions or cutting apart two similar conclusions. Quote: To quote Isaac Newton, "We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances. Therefore, to the same natural effects we must, as far as possible, assign the same causes." Quote: The razor's statement that "other things being equal, simpler explanations are generally better than more complex ones" is amenable to empirical testing. Another interpretation of the razor's statement would be that "simpler hypotheses are generally better than the complex ones". The procedure to test the former interpretation would compare the track records of simple and comparatively complex explanations. If one accepts the first interpretation, the validity of Occam's razor as a tool would then have to be rejected if the more complex explanations were more often correct than the less complex ones (while the converse would lend support to its use). If the latter interpretation is accepted, the validity of Occam's razor as a tool could possibly be accepted if the simpler hypotheses led to correct conclusions more often than not. Quote: One justification of Occam's razor is a direct result of basic probability theory. By definition, all assumptions introduce possibilities for error; if an assumption does not improve the accuracy of a theory, its only effect is to increase the probability that the overall theory is wrong. I still say it is glue - Simple. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 01/24/2023 12:27 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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