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This coin was advertised as a proof when I bought it. Once I got it home, something wasn't matching up. As I was taking photo's, I couldn't see the tell tale die lump ( Briggs' obverse 2) on the shield. So digging into this, I believe this "proof" to actually be the business strike version. The reverse shield has all the markers for Briggs' reverse A die scratches and the obverse looks to be Briggs' Obverse 1. It does have some muted luster remaining. It also has a couple of minor struck through areas, one (half moon shape) coming off the drapery by her left knee, another adjacent to the rock at 7:30. Please correct me if my attribution is wrong. What grade would y'all give her?      Thanks for looking. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Tough date, wonderful example. It's either a 58+ or 65 or better. Choice, choice.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I love this design of this coin. I do not know them, I have some but till now never see one so beauty. I think this coin must has lot a nice Design varieties. I have to go to study them and collect.
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Pillar of the Community
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There's a PR63 on PCGS that is also missing the lump. Interestingly it also has the distinct lathe lines in the obverse rim that yours has but which others don't seem to have. I don't know what that means, merely pointing it out.
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I noticed the lines on the obverse rim and slightly on the reverse too. I have a lot of these quarters and I don't see any with those (I also don't have any proofs that I know of). I need something to sleuth today, I will see if I can look more into too. Stunning coin either way
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Ok I am seeing at least a business strike (briggs reverse A) for the reverse. With the die scratches in the shield and looks like the 2nd and 7th vertical lines do not extend to the 2nd horizontal line in the picture too. (Might need a clearer picture to be sure though. There has been records of use of proof dies used in business strikes too. I'll keep digging, I don't have the briggs guide in front of me though.
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01/30/2023 09:01 am
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Best I can make is that it looks like a business strike to me, obverse 1 Rev A. It does note (which I think yours is a prime example of) that this year was struck really well and UNC coins are very "proof like". Just my assessment given the pictures.
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Bedrock of the Community
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cant comment on proof or business strike but its stellar and well struck on both sides. someone needs eagle eyes to see any sign of circulation on this.
PCGS shows only the following business strikes have been graded
MS63 - 7
MS64 - 9
MS65 - 3
MS65+- 1
MS66 - 1
i have to say she is either proof or a higher MS coin. if I go with business strike then I can pretty much rule out MS65 & MS66 leaving 63 or 64 range
the blotchy toning and subdued luster may hold it to MS63 or a +
the business strike in these grades are considerably more valuable than the proof so I hope you have one here. Any reason why you havent graded?
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01/30/2023 09:10 am
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Thanks for the feedback so far from all! I also do not have the reference book. I found my references from this article in Numismatic News, on a "1868 Proof Mule Quarter Dollar". https://www.numismaticnews.net/worl...arter-dollarQuote:
There's a PR63 on PCGS that is also missing the lump. Good catch kbbpll. I also noticed the same on that PR63 and thought it odd but blew it off, focusing on the reverse shield, and the date. When you look at the MS63 and higher images on PCGS, all have similar lathe lines you mention. What I also note are slight die gouges on the obverse, all the higher MS coins show this, only the PR63 shows this marker.  If I owned that PR63, I might be tempted to crack it out.    As for the date, according to Briggs Obv 1, date position 8/9 slopes down left to right, the proof date position 7, slopes upward left to right. Added photos below. Quote:
more valuable than the proof so I hope you have one here. Any reason why you havent graded? @ panzaldi; I wanted to be sure I kind of knew what I have. Getting y'alls input on this was important, plus that means I have to stop spending my money on coins, as I have about 20 I want to send in.    Added photos of date. Edited by eaglebub7
01/30/2023 9:07 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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IMO it's not a proof but it is beautiful and stunning regardless.
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'm at MS-64 on this one.
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