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1922 No D, Str. Rev

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What grade would you give this coin, and what value from the grade. The obverse is the expected weak strike, and there does appear to be rim damage at almost 6 o'clock, best seen on the obverse.

Your learned, or not so learned, opinions are most welcomed and appreciated.

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F12, I might go F-18 if it didn't have those two scratches. Nice coin!
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The rim damage at 6:00 on the obverse might leave this coin in a bodybag. The big gouge in the O of ONE on the reverse plus the obverse scratch hurt too.

The color is natural and the coin appears to be a true "No D, Strong Reverse" from Die Pair 2.

My grade would be "Rim Damage" - VF details - Net VG.

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I agree with F-12.
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Those 1922s are really hard for me to grade.

But, I'll also, agree with F-12
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Is the consensus here based on the weak strike of the obverse? This is the common state for the true No D coins. Or is it more because of the dings and scratches? Thanks in advance.
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F12 maybe F15, nice reverse, soft obverse details. My opinion is the overall grade will be determined by the condition of the reverse. nlp
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Is the consensus here based on the weak strike of the obverse? This is the common state for the true No D coins. Or is it more because of the dings and scratches? Thanks in advance.


My opinion comes from the obvious wear on both sides of the coin. While the 22-D's are well known for over-used dies, with experience, you can learn to distinguish between die state and wear. On the plain, strong reverse coins, the reverse was very well struck using fresh dies. The reverse plays the biggest factor in judging the amount of wear. On the obverse the forehead, cheek and jaw are worn flat, this is primarily due to wear rather than die state.

In reality, this coin has probably only worn down to the VF-25 level, but, the TGP's are pretty tough and they would definately grade this at the fine level. However, as pointed out, the obverse scratch may cause it to BB with a TPG. ANACS may grade it for you, but with "scratched" on the holder. If you submit it elsewhere, you will likely get a "genuine" holder. Either way, you should submit it and get it authenticated as it is a rare coin no matter what. Plenty of people would be happy to own it, but only if it's genuine.
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Thanks for the detailed explanation, BadThad. It is just this kind of detailed response that most helps me to learn. It also furthers my appreciation of those like yourself who so generously share their greater levels of experience.
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You're very welcome. I enjoy helping others when I can, but don't think I'm the "know it all" because I certainly don't. Others on this forum dwarf me in knowledge and experience....I get corrected plenty. LOL
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One other thing I was wondering about. Is it just me, or the light, maybe, but does the second 2 of the date look a bit off. It appears sharper and thinner than anything else on the obverse, including the other numbers on the date. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean, etc.....
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I would say it was a normal 2
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The second 2 on the 1922-D's is always funky. On my 22 plain with weak reverse you can only make out the second 2 with magnification and just the right angle.
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