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Pillar of the Community
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Great stuff.....
"We are all flawed, some MD and some PMD." NYI |
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Forum Dad
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Found one posted in a Facebook group...  |
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Here's 1/2 VDBV purchased from the OP. Thanks Again. Noticed on both examples there's die chip on his head arrow in red pointing to it. And an image of the VDBV. Yea the image of VBDV could be better but I'm sure we know what we are all looking at by now.   Edited by gorham_collector
02/27/2023 2:29 pm
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Forum Dad
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Op here. If any of you guys want some bulk email me and we can work out a great deal. Idk if any of you guys have shops or do shows but I have plenty and still going through rolls.
I was also noticing something towards the back of Lincoln's head where his hair meets his neck. It's a slight line but I see it on most of these.
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Pillar of the Community
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I received three examples of this "extra V" cent. The V is incuse and is definitely NOT a dropped letter or any kind of repetitive struck-through error. It appears on too many coins and shows obvious metal flow, indicating this is a feature on the die face. As the photos show, the extra V is smaller and narrower than the normal V. I can't tell if it's shallower. The right arm of the V is slightly irregular. There is a tiny horizontal die scratch on all three cents running through Lincoln's hair and that lies to the left of Lincoln's earlobe. All three specimens were therefore struck by the same die pair. A larger sample would be required to determine whether this extra V is restricted to a single obverse die. It would be useful to find an early die state that shows little or no metal flow so we can determine that the extra letter was present at installation.
Right now, this does seem to be a misplaced designer's initial. It might be an act of creative vandalism performed by a mint employee on a single working hub. It could also be a mistake generated by a software controlling a computer aided design (CAD) program or software controlling an engraving tool or laser under computer numerical control (CNC). It's possible the mint was doing minor tinkering with the design and a software glitch or human error introduced an errant letter. But right now, I see no other signs of tinkering. I will keep working on this over the next few days, so this isn't my final take on this phenomenon.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Pillar of the Community
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nice report, interesting stuff, now I'm on the lookout for this sort of anomaly to appear on other 2023 coins as well
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So if a misplaced designer initial would there be anyway to know for sure besides speculating.
it's interesting I'm thinking it's a little odd if it were a misplaced initial wouldn't it look the same as the V in VDB being it came from the time the working hub was being engraved, it would have the same appearance if it were I'd think.
Can't wait to see what else mike had to say great evaluation.
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Pillar of the Community
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Right now there's no way to establish with any certainty the origin of this letter or the motivation (if any) behind its presence. I'm weighing a large number of alternative working hypotheses, some more likely than others.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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At this point, the most likely explanation is that this V was intentionally punched in or carved into a working hub. Right now, it appears that this working hub was used to fabricate a single working die. The picture may change as more of these coins are discovered. Maybe someone named Vivian or Veronica decided to immortalize themselves by placing their initial in the working hub. Mexico has a long tradition of introducing clandestine symbols and letters into working hubs and dies.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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Could this have also been some damage that happen to occurred to the working hub at some point? Slight drop or ding up against something the just left the "letter V" there and didn't disturb the metal on the die around it a "perfect hit". to the degree where we would say that it isn't damage. And say it was intentionally carved or punched into the working hub. Bc it looks as such?
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Pillar of the Community
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The placement of the extra V right next to, and in perfect alignment with, the normal designer's initials suggests intentionality. Random damage would appear in a random position.
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Pillar of the Community
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The article devoted to the 2023 VDBV cent is now out in the online edition of Coin World (March 27). Error coin writer and researcher.
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Very cool, thanks Mike for all your work on this one.
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Just to follow up. I sent some of these into Anacs along with Mike Diamonds article. What do you guys think of the description on the label.  |
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