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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/24/2023 2:03 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
25383 Posts |
Wow, what a stunner!!!
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Pillar of the Community
United States
646 Posts |
The stars at 9-10 are flat, but that's probably the strike. I'm guessing MS-63 RB.
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Pillar of the Community
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594 Posts |
Very nice.... I agree with the MS63 but I think BN.
Also agree with strike instead of wear.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
Enough small dings to keep it at
MS-63, somewhere between BN and RB.
Quite exceptional that this example retains most of it's mint luster under the patina.
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Bedrock of the Community
 United States
11896 Posts |
Obverse die at the rim from K1-K3 appears to have crumbled. Otherwise, all other parts of the obverse and reverse die appear sharp and perfect. I think this is an EDS impression with strike weakness in the right side of the coin as evidenced by the flat stars particularly stars 2-4 as Wideglide points out. Odd that s/he seems to count the stars counter-clockwise from right to left. Wreath is beautifully detailed as are all the letters and date. LIBERTY in the coronet headdress seems sharply struck and beautifully rendered.
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/24/2023 10:03 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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MS62BN Noyes state B/A? no Cud yet btw. S11/S12, no or very fine rev crack at tops of ST and OF, crumbling at S7-S10, into field at S9-S10 Much nicer than any of my 1816s, nicer than the Twin Leaf one I saw at CVM's table a few years ago Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
11896 Posts |
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/24/2023 11:17 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
Yours might be the rev B state but I don't see the cracks; if there is a thin crack above ST and OF then it's the B; the crack develops all the way and goes through 1st A in AM then out to rim in state C rev
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United States
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Thanks paralyse. Looking at that reverse in the subject coin, that die state looks flawless to me. Starting with the dentils/rim to the wreath to everything else in the reverse. Other reverse die state B coins like the B/B coin linked above, has the die state B reverse but there is no sign of any cracks where you indicate in the reverse. https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...s-63-bn-PCGSIN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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United States
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That is an absolutely beautiful coin.  Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
12057 Posts |
Yup, I still think yours is the B/A.
The example I used for comparison and the one with which I am more familiar (ex: Twin Leaf, Grellman/McCawley, AU58 CAC green bean) was attributed by Mr. Grellman as the B state rev, the cracks are VERY faintly visible just to the left of O. Bill Noyes did not distinguish it himself in his book but it would be logical that reverse B can probably be split into "early B" and "later B" states.
I think my "best" 1816 is probably EAC VG8 or thereabouts, it's always a treat to behold such a beautiful example as yours.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
18681 Posts |
I'm at MS62BN
this one is a keeper. shes a beauty
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I'd say it's mint state, MS61/62BN but a TPG would probably grade it higher. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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United States
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Hi westcoin. Wondering why in a 0-10 uncirculated scale you would say it rates 1-2. Is this really bottom of the barrel in terms of unc cents? Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/25/2023 7:37 pm
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