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1941 S Mercury Dime - NGC To PCGS Crossover?

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I have this dime that is rpm FS-502. If I send the coin in to get the variety on the holder, I would want it to go to PCGS.

What are your thoughts of this coin going from the NGC holder to a PCGS holder at the same grade - MS66FB.

The obverse has a lot of die scratches and clashes, that is noted in Variety Vista - Stage B MDS - http://www.varietyvista.com/06%20Me...1SRPM005.htm

Here is a PCGS example of the same die state and variety, also grade. - https://www.PCGS.com/coinfacts/coin...02-fb/145468

Here is a NGC link to my coin, with good photos - https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6088237-019/66/



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It looks 66FB to me but you are gambling that whoever picks up the coin at PCGS sticks the landing at your grade.
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Just my 2 ¢ LOL. I do not see how it made MS66 with the scratches Infront of her face. The middle band looks altered to me, but I am no expert. PCGS is more strick,IMHO.
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Surely those scratches in front of the face are not on the coin!
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The PCGS coin HumblePie linked in the post shows the same "scratches" in front of the face. It must be a die issue. And HumblePie's coin doesn't have the cat poop on the reverse at 5K, although STATES seems to have a basho.
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"The obverse has a lot of die scratches and clashes, that is noted in Variety Vista - Stage B MDS "

http://www.varietyvista.com/06%20Me...1SRPM005.htm
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I think MS66FB is right, but we will see. Calling them scratches is probably not the correct term.
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Die polish lines are common with the 40's. I'm missing this variety.

Great pick up HumblePie. The FB seem a little weak to me.
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Calling them scratches is probably not the correct term.

Yes, I was totally incorrect on that.


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Die polish lines are common with the 40's. I'm missing this variety.

The 502 is a very tough find. This is the first I have come across in MS, very few in circ. The die polish lines are a good way to find this one.
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I guess I would have to instruct PCGS to not holder without 66 and FB...I think you can do that?
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Wow, learned a lot here!
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PCGS probably will be a little more discerning than NGC. the marks in front of the face look to be a heavy handed die polisher. PCGS should know this so I think it should still retain its grade. FB is really weak, as stated already, but I think they would still designate it.

if you look at the PCGS example for FS-502 those polish lines are there in the exact same place and the example shown is listed as FB and its not even as separated as yours.

imo its worth trying to get the designation. the difference is retail price is 10x for the variety. good luck and post her if you send it in
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I'd leave it in the NGC holder.
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Absolutely no reason to cross it IMO unless you've got a PCGS Registry Set slot for that particular variety that you need to fill or you are dead set on having the variety on the holder.

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Why not just used NGC Variety Designation $18 fee and reholder, unless you're in PCGS club already.
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Absolutely no reason to cross it IMO unless you've got a PCGS Registry Set slot for that particular variety that you need to fill or you are dead set on having the variety on the holder.


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Why not just used NGC Variety Designation $18 fee and reholder, unless you're in PCGS club already.

My only reasoning to justify a PCGS crossover attempt on this coin is NGC shows 4 of this variety graded in MS66FB, and PCGS only has 1 graded at MS66FB, you could argue that mine would be a better copy than the 1 graded at PCGS. The PCGS coin sold for $1750 in 2022 - https://www.PCGS.com/auctionprices/...173875453988
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