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New Member
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Hello coin forum I am new and wondering if anyone has seen or delt with these types of errors? Seems to me this coin had a hard time through every machine in the mint. Your thoughts and expertise would greatly be appreciated.   |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Hi and welcome!!
I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but this looks to me like a "vise job". This is when someone takes three coins and puts them in a vise or hits them with a hammer and intentionally causes damage. The giveaway is that the second impression is indented and backwards. If it had been struck while at the mint the second impression would be convex and forwards.
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02/25/2023 5:08 pm
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New Member
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Here are some micro scope pics that might change your mind.  |
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New Member
Canada
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One more for you guys  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Sorry, but this is still a post mint "vise job".
It is impossible for this to have happened at the mint.
Mint dies are kind of like typewriter keys ... they cannot print reverse characters - ever!.
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New Member
Canada
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vise job you think even when there are no impression on the on the queens effogy from the other coins being clampped down on effogy. Effogy against effogy no marks. The rim where the letter impressions are is still raised not mashed down. You think there would be drag marks on the bead impressions as coin was being bent down onto another coin. The beads are raised in the cracks on the outer rim followed by impressions from other beads. Also the alignment of the 3 sets of beads on outer rim are to perfectly aligned for clapping down then rotating and clamping down again two different times. Two sets of raised beads on both sides of coin are throwing me off too. I'm sorry not trying to be pain in bum, just trying to wrap my head around it. I've been a machinist and things do not add up for sandwiching this coin in between two other coins.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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The lettering above the Queen is backwards and recessed, that is why everyone is saying pressed, maybe between two pieces of leather
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New Member
Canada
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Thanks for your input on this coin, I value and appreciate your guys knowledge. Can you comment on the two sets of raised beads on both sides of coin. They are not concavved and if a coin was pressed into them would they be flattened out.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Also see mirror impression of Regina on the caribou's neck. Spy, we see "vise job" coins on a regular basis here, and they are glaringly obvious. It may have been a vise or it could have been a hammer, but coins were stacked and smashed so that mirror impressions were made on your coin. There is no way that this could have happened at the Mint.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Pillar of the Community
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I'd always seen, or told about, is that you take 2 coins (or sometimes 3) and stack them on a thick leather belt. Then you lay the rest of the leather belt on top of the stack. Then smack it as hard as possible with a large hammer or mallet ... and then, presto, you have a discussion topic with other collectors.
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Valued Member
Canada
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no offence to the pillars of the community on here, who I'm sure are very knowledgable about the subject of numismatics, but take their opinions with a grain of salt. they routinely dismiss everything as fake, vise jobs, worthless, etc. granted in most cases they are. but not every case. I posted some coins I had trouble identifying. some pillars of the community felt I had fakes, fantasy coins, etc. they did not recognize that they were patterns. they didnt even mention the possibility that they could be patterns. I would have been out thousands of dollars had I listened to them. fortunately, one poster later chimed in who was more knowledgable than the others and steered me on the right path, and based on that, I verified the coins. so needless to say, take the advice, but verify independently.
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You should always take free advice with a grain of salt not only here on CCF. If you do not agree with the majority of answers you receive, than by all means send the coin in to be verified by a reputable grader that you trust and respect. Please let us know the outcome with full slab photos front and back. John1  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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@ Spy66
Even if there was some legitimate error hidden on that coin, all of the post mint damage make this coins value not much more than face value.
I wouldn't waste the time or money it.
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Posted 02/25/2023 5:07 pm
