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1958 Wheat Penny With Doubling

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Is this a poor man's doubling?
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I'm seeing Die Deterioration Doubling ( DDD)--which is consistent with the DDD seen on the '55 (P) poor man's doubled die.
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I agree with Ijn here, just DDD noted here.
The 'poor man's doubled die' is usually associated with the 1955 cent
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Stewart Blay's 1958 Lincoln Cent Doubled Die Obverse PCGS MS-65 RD CAC recently sold for an unbelievable $1,136,250 with juice, and so gets many people to have interest in looking for coins like that which is also similar to the 1955 doubled die and can be very striking. https://doubleddie.com/302101.html Unfortunately it is the finest of only three examples known so its not like there are lots of examples out there just waiting to be found searching. ,https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...r-Collection

Doubled dies have doubling on the die itself that will strike the coin image, that is why its called a "doubled die". In the years 1953-1957, the mint had a habit of keeping the Lincoln Cent dies in use too long trying to increase the life of the Lincoln Cent dies and when the dies wore, it can create what is called " Die Deterioration Doubling" like what you see on the 1955 poor man's doubled die and those other dates and here. This is why certain dates of errors like the 1955 poor mans doubled die have also become popular even when it shouldnt be, possibly due to only having something like 15,000 of the true popular 1955 doubled die and its very high cost to obtain, helping to fill albums that have a slot for the 1955 doubled die instead of the dreaded hole.

Photos are good although they prefer you use the original image rather than the monitor image. Maybe should first pick up strike it rich with pocket change 5th edition book for varieties and errors to look for. Since some doubling is not valuable like whats in this book, it may help you to find which coins have the real doubled dies and then you can match them up rather than just looking at every coin for something different. https://www.amazon.com/Strike-Rich-.../0593328604/ There are others on web sites but they dont all have value so its a decent list to start looking for.
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Thank you for the info!
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Sure... this is the 1958 doubled die photos to compare to in future. https://doubleddie.com/365001.html I edited the link to the 1955 in the last reply. We rarely discuss about the coin due to the 3 examples as mentioned unlike the 1955 which at least is out there and therefore has been talked about much more often.

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When you see the real thing you'll know it.
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I ordered the book already!
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The book it is OK, but the book will never made you see exact without example.
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Congrats on getting the book and just try to 'match up' to known coins to look for in there which is much easier for someone new to this, rather than attempt to identify what in general is a DDO / DDR or just looking at all coins for something different. That part is quite confusing to newbies due to the fact that Machine Doubling types turns up alot more often and is not the same or have the same value as a coin that is doubled from the die itself. If its possibly the same, can always post it on the forum if you think you found something matching.

I think maybe as a second level after someone has started searching awhile and is able to match up to known listings, then can use the web sites to know there are more out there even though many might also be minor and/or are not valuable. Also to try to ID new ones as you may be able to after that which is more difficult. Learning about the generic errors first after that would be the next step, those that might be found on many different coins and not just something that would be unique.
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I inherited a huge coin collection from my deceased father and his fathers coins, and have been researching coins for about 2 years now. It's a process for sure! I have a lot of foreign coins as well not sure what to do with?
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And a ton of proof sets
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I inherited a huge coin collection from my deceased father and his fathers coins, and have been researching coins for about 2 years now. It's a process for sure! I have a lot of foreign coins as well not sure what to do with? (and proofs)


Sorry to hear about your loss. Hopefully there is some documentation of the foreign coins as to what the coin is, but if not the starting points might be something like Numista which is a free site that has some pricing if you can id the coin using the images and info provided. https://en.numista.com/ and coinoscope mobile app https://coinoscope.com/ and posting on a forum like here to help when your stumped otherwise. There are also books for the collectors who regularly deal with foreign coins rather than someone just looking to part with a collection, an example (and many others) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand..._World_Coins

Proof and mint sets can be easily looked up on a site like PCGS, which normally deals with graded coins by PCGS but have values for proof sets to get a general idea https://www.PCGS.com/prices Once things are cataloged (so that you dont get ripped off by not knowing what you have), then it can be discussed the best way to sell if thats what your after such as directly selling yourself via places like ebay, auction sites like great collections, david lawrence, or heritage auctions who will do all the work for you, or can keep some for your own collection.

https://doubleddie.com/228401.html and http://varietyvista.com/index.htm are good places to start to look up varieties (In addition to the strike it rich book) such as more photos and info. http://m.numismedia.com/rarecoinprices.htm is another place to get general pricing for US coins.
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If you want to sell, I am interested on 1965 trough 1990, so just PM me.
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