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1866 Shield Nickel - RPD ; Die Cracks ; Possible DDR

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Well, I think I found something. After my standard full obv and rev images, my images show:
1) RPD
2) Obv die crack 8k to 6k
3) Obv die crack(s) around 4k
4) Rev die crack 4k
5) Rev die crack 7k
6) Rev die crack 10K AND (help me here...) I think its MD as opposed to DDR from what I've read, as it would appear the letters are thinner than they should be
7) and 8) More MD versus DDR pics

Thanks a ton to kbbpll I had a link to the 'complete guide to Shield nickels', but I still cant tell whether the RPD is 01.4 01.5 or 01.20 - and none of those list die cracks.

What's my next step?

PS: if you see the file names, go easy on me. I spelled shield wrong on the first pic and did a copy/paste to every image name, only altering the end of the name.


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It appears to be FS-001 - these two HA examples show the same RPD and die cracks. Yours seems to be a much later die state, those cracks are crazy! I'm not any expert, I just snoop around.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/shield-nic...bnail-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/shield-nic...bnail-071515

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Nice closeup shots!



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Thanks, all. Very helpful.

Any suggestions on MD versus DDR? (last three pics). I'm leaning towards MD, because the letters appear thinner - but that's a novice opinion. If you have an guess, please add a few words as to 'why' as I'm in the learning stage.

I must say, the US mint really must have struggled with these (first attempt with a harder alloy?) because I have about 10-12 of these coins and just about every one has DD's or die cracks. Also, some years like 1866 1868 have 2 1/2 pages of 'issues' in the complete guide to SN's
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Compare the MS64 example in my first link above to yours. Lots of similar doubling, but different. I'd say most of it is MD, although two of the stars are actual doubling, at E in cents and second A in America. It appears that the doubled stars are on other With Rays coins in 1866 and 1867, so maybe it was on a master.
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