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Republic Of China Coin With Sun Yat-Sen, Probably 1929 Pattern Of 1 Jiao? (Id: Chinese Fantasy)

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 Posted 05/18/2023  03:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add BrokeStudent to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone!
Another forum identified that it looks like a Republic of China's 2 Jiao 1929 Pattern but the 1 Jiao version of said coins are nonexistent (I also have tried to find it online to no avail)

I am quite intrigued to ask it to another forum site because I literally just have no further info about it.

Here are some info:
Diameter : 19 mm
Weight : 2.75 g
Magnetic? : Non-magnetic
Color : Silvery
Edge : Reeded

Inscriptions & Coin Profile: (credit to @Frenchlover on Numista)
"Bust of Sun Yat-sen facing left

Lettering: #24180;#20843;#21313;#22283;#27665;#33775;#20013;

Translation: Year 18 of the Republic of China

#22291;#19968;#30070;#26522;#21313;#27599;

10 pieces in 1 Yuan

#22777;#35282;

1 Jiao"

And here is the pics!

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 Posted 05/18/2023  06:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@bro, first welcome to CCF. Second, what is the provenance of this piece? I wonder if it isn't a made-for-tourists fantasy. One potential way to get at this is for you to measure the specific gravity. That would help to confirm if this is silver or merely "silvery" as you have already noted. Thx.
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 Posted 05/18/2023  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BrokeStudent to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Spence! Thank you for the warm welcome :)

The context of the coin is I got it from a friend as my graduation gift, he bought it for $5 from a coin seller. I just contacted the seller and he said that someone sold it to him as a bulk with other coins and he did not know either it came from an inheritance or just a personal collection. However, I do not think that he is an experienced (or even worse, ethical) coin seller because I have found 4 different kind of obvious fakes (3 Chinese coins and 1 american coin) as a legit coin although none of them (including real silver guldens) are priced incredibly expensive. He told me that he priced the coin by size if he could not identify the coin, the smaller it is the cheaper it is.

Regarding the specific gravity of the coin itself the result comes to 9.16, which means that the coin is not purely silver... so yeah, probably it is a token of some sort?
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Update!
At this point, I think the coin is probably a copper coin of some sort due to its specific gravity (credit to @rsirian1 on Numista)
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Ok yes perfect. Thx so much for following up. It sounds like you have a solid determination of a fantasy fake made for the tourism trade out of base metal.
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Yeah I think so, however I tried using the same method using a junk silver and the result varied from really far (9,22) to really close (10,38) so I think I'll update you guys again when I found a better way to test it (probably a new scale, a scratch test or using a machine)

Until then, I'll assume that it is base metal of a fantasy coin for now.

Thank you Spence! :)
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Hello Jbuck!

Thank you for the warm welcome and thank you for visiting by! :)
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My pleasure!
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 Posted 05/18/2023  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not saying it is silver, but could not 9.16 be the same value for silver of 10 to 20%
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