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OK, I get that this is a 1864-L RPD-001. Three things: 1) I got this in a no-name TPG slab graded VF25 that I cracked it out of. I think their grade was right - what say you? 2)This looks like a job for Verdi-Care (which is now apparently called Verdi-Chem) - never used it. Do you just soak the coin in it or actually try to use a toothpick to gently clean with it? 3) When I went to the Snow L varieties, none of the Snow-1 varieties are listed with a rotated reverse die. What you see in the pictures is the amount of rotation. Is this significant in any way? I know there were a ton of rotated die coins in 1864, but not sure how many for L RPD coins. Thanks in advance for answers and opinions. *** Edited by Staff to Add Denomination to Title. It's very important to have in the title. ***       |
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Some of your rotation will go away if you properly align the obverse. I think the bottoms of U and A are supposed to be more or less level.
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I was thinking that the date is the bottom-most point of the obverse, regardless of how the USA legend lands, but I somewhat see what you mean. With the date centered and level at the bottom, the reverse rotation on this coin looks to be about 10 degrees ccw. Other IHCs, when the date is at the bottom-most point of the obverse, have the reverse exactly 180 degrees opposite, so when you flip the coin vertically, the reverse is correctly upright. In other words, I think my second obverse picture is correctly oriented. The other two are turned cw about 2 degrees.
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05/20/2023 4:08 pm
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I'll say VF-20. In some pics it looks cleaned, but not in others.
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I think it is VF-20 and would look better if that verdigris was removed. Looks like an attempt was made but not in the recessed areas.
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I agree about the verdigris. Can anyone give me some tips on how to best use Verdi-Chem (used to be Verdi-Care).  |
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This is a fine product, but when the greenish scale is removed, the surfaces beneath will likely not match the color of the rest of the coin.
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1. Just put 2-3 drops of VC in the middle of the coin.
2. Take a toothpick and smooth the drops out so it goes rim to rim.
3. Let it sit for a few hours.
4. Put the coin on a soft cloth and rotate the coin to remove the VC.
I don't think you need to jab at it with a toothpick, if you do, make sure to soak the end of the toothpick in VC for a while until it gets soft.
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05/20/2023 7:23 pm
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The coin actually looks like it may already have had a long acetone soak to remove gunk. What is left behind is some shadowing from what was removed. It needed a VC bath after the acetone, so what you are about to do is what sould have already been done. I think it will look great afterwards.
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Yeah, I looked at the Verdi-Chem materials from the sale site. They've got some before and after pics that show pretty well what to expect (best case). I went ahead and bought some. I'd like to make the RPD more visible and the crud around it really detracts. Thanks for the step-by-step, HumblePie - very helpful!
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05/20/2023 7:45 pm
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Love the RPD. I hope Verdi can save it a bit more.
I didn't know they had resumed production, it's been nearly impossible to find for 2-3 years. That makes me happy that it can be found again!
I've been using Classic Coin Conditioner, which is a modern version of Blue Ribbon. It works really well, but it doesn't attack the "green" stuff like Verdi does. I've had great results with Verdi on several early copper coins and even some Wheat cents and so on.
Anyway, enough of that, I think this is a super RPD and is a really neat coin. I think VF25 is possible, certainly at least VF20. I don't have an example of this particular RPD in my cabinet, so I don't know if the rotated dies are characteristic of your particular variety; the only one I have similar is an 1864 "no L" Snow 1 RPD, no help here.
You could probably Google this variety and see if you can find auction or other photos and see if those coins have mention of a rotated reverse.
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I let mine soak a cpl days sometime. Be careful that it doesn't collect on one side of the coin, gotta be flat. Like Humble said smooth it out to cover the entire coin. Pick at it gently. If you get too aggressive you'll see fresh copper. Experiment first on a coin that has low value. It does work.
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Very kool variety!
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Thanks for the step-by-step, HumblePie - very helpful! You are more than welcome. |
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I actually copied HumblePie's and 52Raymo's responses into a .txt file so I'd have it for reference (thank you both, by the way, and I hope you all don't mind!)
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I actually copied HumblePie's and 52Raymo's responses into a .txt file so I'd have it for reference (thank you both, by the way, and I hope you all don't mind!) You are welcome! I don't mind at all. A couple other things to note - After removing all the VC from the coin, the coin needs to still sit out and dry completely. This could take hours or up to a day. Be sure to do this before putting the coin in a flip, or you will have a mess down the road. Soft Cloth - I use the microfiber lint free cloths that are used for car detailing. The coin in question - When removing the VC, I would lay the coin flat on the cloth and rotate the whole coin a few times. Then I would lap the cloth over the edge of the coin, and press semi-firmly down over the letters (where the shadowing is mostly) with my thumb, and pull towards the rim while I rotate the coin around. If all of the shadow does not come off, I would do a round 2. VC is amazing for getting rid of the green stuff. I also like to use it if a coin just looks dehydrated, or just needs a quick bath to remove lint from sitting in an old disintegrating flip. If you use VC for these reasons, you only need to apply it for 5 mins or so. If I can think of anything else that may be useful I will add it. |
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