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Naturally toned silver, copper, gold, steel,zinc, etc. coins...
comes from a little moisture and air over time,correct?
Q: What if the coin sat in a presentation box for many years and
toned from a piece of foam or padding cover it?

Natural or artificial toning?


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 Posted 03/21/2009  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Heh. Ask 100 people and you'll get 100 different answers.

I can tone a coin just by leaving it on my computer desk for a couple weeks. I didn't do anything deliberate to it; is that artificial or natural? Your example, in my opinion, is natural. Since the process is the same either way, it all goes to intent.

But that's only my opinion.
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I would consider artificial toning as a process of altering the coins appearance with a deliberate treatment to the coins surface for immediate results.
I would say it is a "quick fix" for an otherwise unattractive coin surface or to fake a natural toning to deceive a potential buyer. Probably done in one sitting or a short duration process. Use of chemicals and heat are the usual catalysts.

What you are referring to is a result from storage and an environmental condition, which any coin could be subject to in an intentional or unintentional situation. I like some album toned coins. I don't dislike toned coins like some people do.
The toning of a coin can in fact actually help preserve the coin from turning bad. It is actually a form of oxidation that can "seal" the coin from environment.

Moisture and air are some of the environmental factors but there are others. Temperature and temperature changes, light reacting to plastic, plastic reacting to gas and cardboard and many others.
I know that certain paper 2x2 envelopes from years ago contained sulphur in the paper and did some very attractive toning on some coins and made others turn spotted and ugly.
I think this would be a result of how the envelope and coin together were stored, and even then, one coin might mysteriously turn out as an eye catcher and the one stored right next to it turn out to be a read dud.

I have tried storing some coins in envelopes that I found pretty colorful toned coins in just to see if the long term storage will produce the desired result. I would not consider this artificial toning although, I want that coin to tone.
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I would define AT as a deliberate action that would not occur to the coin without direct intervention. Various storage methods(kraft paper, tissue, Wayte Raymond album, etc) should be considered natural because someone can place a coin in that condition not intending for it to tone at all. However, things like applying a sulfur and vaseline schmear, placing a coin in a baking potato, frying one in a skillet, etc should be considered AT because those things will not just accidentally happen to a coin- they are a deliberate action.
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AT could be defined as an acceleration of toning on a coin through natural or artificial means. Doing it through "natural" means, like leaving a coin on a windowsill wrapped in a Taco Bell napkin might give the coin a naturally toned look and it might get away with getting into "good" plastic. However, doing it to a 2000 Silver Eagle and giving it sharp rainbow toning is another thing altogether.
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They used to store coins in the 50's in a paper envelope to preserve the coin. All it did was to make it turn dark. What we do today will probably be talked about years later as a do not do. So time will tell.
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As already stated it is a vague topic. People have accidently left coins in places where they toned. Others have put coins in the same places purposely to tone. Which is what? If you put a coin in the ground in a garden and it tones or if someone dropped a coin in a garden and it toned, which is what?
I purchased some highly polished coins at a coin show. I soaked them in Acetone, then Laquer thinner, then warm distilled water and then onto a kitchen window. Now there for almost 2 months. Eventually they will tone. If so, AT or NT? Just started the same thing with a Buffalo nickel. AT or NT?
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