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1922 Five Cent Question

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 Posted 03/23/2009  4:19 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add akglen to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Is there any easy way to differentiate between a 'flat' and 'concave' example of this year. Other then holding one of each and comparing?
Here's mine;
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 Posted 03/23/2009  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Only way I've found is to look with a loupe so see if the field of the coin "rolls up" to the rim.
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 Posted 03/23/2009  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dollar1948 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yepper...Wpg is right...its a bugger trying to determine them by the naked eye, and Charltons decriptions don't really assist either.
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 Posted 03/24/2009  12:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WpgLwr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And on top of that, that's not the only year this occurred -- happened in 1936, too.

Strange that it happened in the first year and the last year of this series.
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 Posted 03/24/2009  04:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It has happened in quite a few years- a chap on ebay from back in the maritimes has listed many more over the time I have looked at his listings.
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 Posted 03/24/2009  09:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malibu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My Charlton 2009 edition is very helpful on this point. On page 64 there are images of each type of coin edge, which are no use at all, and two small cross-section diagrams labelled "Concave" and "Flat", which illustrates the difference perfectly. I dont have a flat bed scanner but if anyone is interested, I'll post a digi photo.
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 Posted 03/24/2009  09:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Here's mine

Wow that is a beautiful Canadian Nickel. I'll have to consider crossing the border into collecting those. I am a US collector but yours really jumped out at me.
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 Posted 03/24/2009  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your always welcome to cross the border wheezydog.

But, make sure you have your passport by June.
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 Posted 03/24/2009  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add akglen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
malibu; I would appreciate seeing the pictures in your catalog, mine is a year older(2008) and I would like to see if they are any better.
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 Posted 03/26/2009  6:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add akglen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for all comments and malibu, these pictures are a whole lot better, at least the parts showing the field to rim junction. I was going to say that mine was concave due to the way the luster moves on the coin but now believe it is flat because the field does not roll up to the rim. WpgLwr, I just didn't understand what you were trying to describe until I could see it in the picture. I don't dare and will not do it, but I really want to take a dental pick and run it around the rim to get a good feel for it!
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Check out ebay seller gobalish, especially item 120376639254, where he states that he has found both Flat and Concave rims on all dates between 1922 and 1936, except for the 25 and 26, which he has not examined enough. He also states that the rims can be different on either side of the coin, so you can have concave on one side, flat on the other side, or both concave, or both flat. He also states that the degree of concavity varies from almost none to very rounded. It sounds to me like it may be a weakness in the dies that comes with many strikings. Is that possible? Is the rim put on before the blank is struck? Would it be possible for there to be a size variation of the die striking face, and the curve is explained by metal flow? I am not really sure, but I begin to suspect that this is not a definate die variety, and only a die state variety. Anyone else with ideas?
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 Posted 03/27/2009  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add akglen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great link! I never see enough of these coins to even have an educated opinion. But using the info you included above I would ask if it was a die state variety why wouldn't the same metal flow have occurred for the years of '25 and '26?
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 Posted 03/28/2009  04:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinsnpaper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
He said that h hadn't seen enough of these coins to say.
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Boy have I been confused. I thought it was the date that was flat or convext - not the rim. Thanks for correcting this long held mistake.
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I went out looking in a bin for a 1936 concave yesterday, and found one that cost me 25 cents. Now you're telling me I have to find one for every date?! Aaaahh - the curse of being a coin collector!
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