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Fernando VII 1821 8 Reale

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 Posted 08/23/2023  4:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Non-GNL-listed and a ex. rare Chihuahua mintmark. Super coin!
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 Posted 09/01/2023  02:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with many of the comments, the coin is a CCC type. Dies are hand cut and very nice. Unrelated to any family established to date.

One comment has to be reinforced. It is that Sheffield Plate counterfeits not only were the perfect color (outer layer was 90% silver and 10% copper) but the coin would ring like a genuine coin. Unlike most counterfeits Sheffield Plate was fully bonded (melted together) and it passed the ring test (to the limits of human hearing). That is why it was so successful at the time. I have never heard of the "pingcoin". It sounds in principle like there should be a detectable difference in frequency between 90% silver alloy solid and a Sheffield Plate, but I would have to test the application before I accepted it.

Roma and anyone else interested - the best tests when looking for counterfeits are weight, specific gravity and XRF analysis. Very few counterfeits pass all three tests. The first two are easy and not expensive at all if you have a decent scale.

I am still surprised by how many collectors still are not using SG testing. Weight divided by volume equals Specific Gravity. It is just that simple.
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@swamper, for me, at least, I feel weight, diamter, ping, and loupe for a 25 euro morgan or Peace dollar are about all the reassurance I need. I haven't spent much on any individual coin. I bought a fake commemorative half dollar very very early on (my second or third coin I think) and two contemporary counterfeits - this one and one other.

Is there a reliable online source for counterfeit 8 Reales? This topic interests me; this is also the reason I starting collecting coins - learn, research, hold, touch, discuss, etc.

Thanks everyone for your replies!
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 Posted 10/21/2023  2:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add colonialjohn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
GNL#1821-O:A/R: Ga FS-001.

Census: 4 known with this specimen. See the Un-Real Counterfeit 8 Reale book by Gurney on Amazon = GNL CCC8R book on page 478 for plate confirmation to this specimen.

Congratulations,
John Lorenzo
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 Posted 10/21/2023  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice coin that definitely has the look of a Contemporaneously Circulating Counterfeit. The hand engraved design makes the coin worth much more than the very common (correct looking) counterfeit of the Guadalajara issue.

Is it worth 24 Pounds? Heck ya. I would buy them all day at $30 which is exactly what I did when I had money to invest. At my current age however, I am investing most of my money and efforts into the Cap and Ray series. Much greater variety - just as rare as the Portraits and so far, much less expensive.

I expect the same effect to occur to the C&R types once they are published.
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