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1972-D LMC. Obv. Rev. Multi Clash

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 Posted 06/18/2023  2:04 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add RobO411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This looks to have multiple clashes on both sides. Obverse ones are there but very faint. I figured to just find out what you think about the reverse side.
I know I have the coin and it's hard for you to see with just a picture.

I would like to to find out if you think I'm on the right track?
Do you think this is possible?
I've done a lot of overlays and they seem to line up.
In bay 1 looks like there's 3 possibly 4 hits.
Bay 3 looks like 2 or 3 hits at a different angle different overlay.
There's a lot of stuff going on the reverse.
So to not post so many pictures.
I'll just bother you right now with the issues around bay 1 and lower left of memorial area.

Thank you for taking your time to look and your thoughts.



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 Posted 06/18/2023  2:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With the bridge of Abe's nose abraded away, it seems to me that there had been some die clashes previously smoothed out. I wonder if the linear region on the letter O is a die dent, but not very sure about that. I look forward to seeing where we net out on this.
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 Posted 06/18/2023  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have you checked the clash web site?
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You have a reverse overlayed on the reverse. That's not posable. You need an obverse on the reverse.
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Actually, CuJohn, it is possible and has happened multiple times, he is referring to a counter clash. Rob is like a dog with a bone when he learns something new. I appreciate his tenacity.

LINK http://www.maddieclashes.com/type-i-counterclash/
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Would a counter clash be this rotated?
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Would a counter clash be this rotated?


LINK http://www.maddieclashes.com/cclt2-1c-1983-01/

I cannot tell from Rob's pics what is going on but the link above will show how much it can be rotated.
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 Posted 06/18/2023  8:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone.
I want to mention. My overlays are approximate. Trying to get it right on the money with this iPhone is tricky. I'm sure I could not work for Maddieclash.

@Spence. There's a lot on the obverse but very faint. I have not tried to figure them out yet. Lol I'm having enough trouble trying to figure out the reverse. It's way above my pay scale.
There's a lot going on in that area below the left bottom of the base and O-ONE.
I can't seem to figure it out yet.
@John1. Yes. I checked all the CCL even all the years just to see if anything resembled mine.

About the rotation.
(IF)!! The overlays line up right. Wouldn't that be the rotation?
Could the die get loose enough to (bounce around ?)


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Here's overlays that involves Bay 3, just to the right of Column 12 and upper right memorial, above the roof line and below UNUM. (The bottom red line clash is up all across above roof line under UNUM)


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That's a weird one. Trying to figure out the reverse raised hump to the left of the O on ONE, and what looks like a person standing in bay 3. Also what's above the right corner of the memorial.
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 Posted 06/19/2023  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Cointree. That large (?) object near the O at first I thought it was maybe from his back but I don't think so. There's a lot going on in that area.
In Bay 3 does look like a person I thought maybe a clash from the statue but nothing worked out for it to be. It worked out for it to be the left pedestal/urn whatever it is x3.
The area to upper right of memorial with coin in hand looks like it got hit x3 also.
The first pic with just the black arrow is without overlay.
I think the green arrow is the first clash, red is second and the last with the 2 black arrows.

There's actually 2 other areas that's been affected on the reverse. But I'm sure some are getting tired of all these pictures. And I hope I haven't frustrated to many with this. I didn't want to post every picture at the beginning for thinking it would be to much at once but maybe this way wasn't any better.
After I try to figure out what's going on in that area around the O.
(And) then I'm going to take a look at the obverse.

with Jon from Makecents that I am like a dog with a bone.
He doesn't realize how right he is!!


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 Posted 06/20/2023  12:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RobO411 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
. Do you think this is possible?
So many counter, typical clashes and rotations?
The obverse has a lot but very light and my camera can't pick them up very well.

I checked to see if Maddieclashes are taking submissions but still says not for a year.
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