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I Am Stupid (Ebay Lesson)

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 Posted 07/18/2023  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A 13 second read of this sellers negative feedback should have been your first
( only necessary ) clue . 98 per cent may be great on a history exam .
On ebay not the best . Every one wants a deal but you really do receive
what you pay for ..Ain't no Santa Claus in numismatics!
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When we have duplicates in inventory of equal quality, we use a stock photo. This allows us to save time/money and pass the savings on to our customers. We are happy to supply a current picture of the coin you will receive on request.
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 Posted 07/18/2023  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Turns out it was a stock image, so my mistake there too.

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Sometimes stock images are perfectly ok. For example, I recently purchased the following, and the reputable seller used a US Mint stock image.

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Well, yeah, if they are re-selling US Mint new release coins, then yes stock images are ok (because an actual coin cannot be taken, 'cause it hasn't been released yet. Or other unopened mint sets.


Glad you are getting it resolved. Stock Images imo can be fine for representative of a NEW boxed item, but not usually a good idea for used items especially with coins since the condition matters. I understand from sellers point of view (and being one) that you may have a big inventory, but it would save this type of problem if you can post actual photos and therefore prefer buying from sellers who do.

It is expected that new items are new condition and stock images are ok but of course sometimes the coins have variable quality there as well (which isn't the sellers fault) but can cause returns so there too posting the actual coin photos when not totally sealed may be helpful to prevent that.

My personal experience was mainly that a Niue 1oz Silver $2 Pac-Man 40th Anniversary Coin in TEP which was put in TEP by APMEX came with the TEP damaged and I would not have bought if I had seen the TEP condition. The coin is ok but the TEP is important in that product so again I ended up with something that would not have happened if they used actual photos or I saw in person, so just generally keep in mind to ask for actual photos if there is any reason why it would be helpful to decide on a product before buying.
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Hey man, just because a seller is dishonest doesn't mean you're stupid.

It could have happened to anyone.
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I have bought quite a bit from EB and most has been a good deal ( I believe ) , knock on wood. I have had a couple of items that aren't quite as nice as I first thought but still fair for the price I paid. And a few items that I feel I won huge on .

One thing I have started doing is looking at a sellers other items . If all of the other stuff looks correct I get a better feeling about the purchase.
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One thing I have started doing is looking at a sellers other items . If all of the other stuff looks correct I get a better feeling about the purchase.
I do the same. It is also nice to see them offering other coins and not just the one I am looking at. I feel less comfortable when they only have one or two coins among a selection of other "yard sale" items.
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Living in a small town (metro area maybe 100,000 on a good day), there are very few coin shops. So for people like me if you want coins ebay is your only option unless you want to drive 100+ miles.
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Just to keep things simple when Ebaying, If you like something as far as you can tell by photos and description.....Give the seller a few questions using coin collecting Jargon, and if they don't respond in 24 hours then blow out of there.
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About a week ago, I took a few passes through ebay looking to do some cherry-picking. One thing I noticed immediately was that some sellers deliberately use stock photos of rare varieties when selling normal coins in volume. So if you don't check the listing details to see stock photos (and some of them bury that under a mountain of words), you might be tricked into thinking you have a shot at a sneaky cherry pick. What you are really buying is a sight unseen ordinary coin, which to be fair is what the listing (not the picture) actually says.
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A 13 second read of this sellers negative feedback should have been your first
( only necessary ) clue . 98 per cent may be great on a history exam .
On ebay not the best .

. That has been my practice method on ebay. Learned it the hard way in my early days buying stamps.
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I never use store photos, I prefer what you see is what you'll receive in images or videos I post on ebay same with uncirculated coins ,carded, proofs and sets, always aim to keep buyer happy.
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This article happened to pop up after I posted that. When sellers use the word "gem," they essentially mean MS-65 on the 70-point Sheldon Scale. The problem is, few "raw" or unholdered coins actually would earn that designation if evaluated by a top grading company which you can read more but again raw coins that have a grade attached should be extra cautious in looking over the photos and pricing to determine if something is as it states.
https://news.coinupdate.com/when-gem-coins-arent/

Some people make good money finding coins that are undergraded to the holder and others find overgraded coins so while that is not perfect its still a good idea to learn some basics about grading if you plan to collect (and especially for buying/selling) regularly. Three that I have recommend are the ANA's Grading Standards for United States coins (7th edition), Bowers' Grading Coins by Photographs (2nd edition), and Making the Grade. Making the grade ( CoinWorld) sadly is not in print so pricing may be higher but worthwhile. The others people mention elsewhere are mainly covered in those three.
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eBay's coin policy

"Must include photos of the front and back of the actual item for sale (stock photos are not allowed)"

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"Must include photos of the front and back of the actual item for sale (stock photos are not allowed)"


And if not? Can the listing be removed?
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"Must include photos of the front and back of the actual item for sale (stock photos are not allowed)"
And if not? Can the listing be removed?


ebay has lots of remedies if they wish at different levels of how hard they want to go after a seller. Its a balance as they need sellers to remain to sell.

If activity doesn't meet these requirements, ebay may take action consistent with applicable laws and the ebay User Agreement, and may even be legally required to do so. Such actions may include, as an example only: administratively ending listings or canceling transactions, hiding or lowering the placement of listings in search results, lowering seller rating, restricting buying or selling, forfeiture of fees, loss of buyer or seller protections, restricting access to member communication and rating tools, removing feedback, and account suspension.
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