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Yunnan-Szechuan 1919 defined as 10 Cash (10 Wen).
But it is clearly 1 Mei
I take the small table in Krause to imply One Mei is equal to Ten Cash.
But I have not come across any book, catalog or online searches that simply says that in regards to Chinese copper coinage.
As an example, the one place I'd expect to see it is in Kann's Section Three on Chinese Coppers.
Unless I overlooked it, I did not see "Mei" anywhere in print.
I do find plenty of tables, charts & lists of all other denominations with corresponding equivalencies in many places.
Anyone know of any reference listing showing or spelling out that 1 Mei is equal to 10 cash?

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My "trusty" Coinoscope app suggests that this may be a 20 cash coin. I have no personal knowledge, though. I'm sure there are others on the board who will know for sure.
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Page 10 in this online PDF of Coole's "Coins in China's History" states that "mei" is "a copper or brass coin equal to ten cash": https://ignca.gov.in/Asi_data/19162.pdf

And the coin itself states 10 wen on the obverse and 1 mei on the reverse.

I hope that is useful.
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Yes it certainly is useful and thank you so much!
I think I need to buy Woodward and now I need Coole.
Names I am starting to learn about.
To Follow up: Yes I found the answer on a Coole page 10.
I first took to the meaning as "One Copper"- but it seemed odd to do so.
But now it makes sense.
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Quote:
Page 10 in this online PDF of Coole's "Coins in China's History" states that "mei" is "a copper or brass coin equal to ten cash":
Yes, you are correct. 1 Mei in the republic period is equal to 10 cash. It is a transition period from the old cash system to the modern coinage counting system. This is likely why on the obv it is ten cash on the bottom and the rev 1 Mei which just mean one coin.
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I think when I photograph, translate the legends and make the printed pages I will see the different denominations on the two sides of the coin.
Simple things like this that members here already know all about need to be explained to me
My collection of ancient cash is so well along I can set that on the shelves and begin accumulating modern cash.
I did download Coole,but I'm guessing maybe his book in print may be the same- not sure about that.
I bought the Coole book titled the same as the PDF and I also found a couple copies of Woodward for sale.
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My App says this is a 20 cash coin from 1921, Chinese.
If not, then it is a 1919 10 cash coin.
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