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How Does This Chain Cent Get A VG10?

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Trying to learn more about this series in my never-ending quest to get one, opinions on how this grade was arrived at? Looks like a 1 or 2 to me, what am I missing?

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 Posted 08/15/2023  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes the obverse seems to be basically a slick, but the reverse has some nice detail between the chain and the denomination. Having separate grades for both sides would be more accurate.
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I can see it getting an AG-3 but VG-10 seems way above reasonable even for the reverse alone.

Only way this could possibly be called VG-10 (other than "typo", which I suspect is the most likely scenario) is if someone got confused at how ungranular the normal scale is for lower-grade Chain cents. (There's a lot of differences in remaining detail that get lumped into PO-1, and nearly as many that get lumped into FR-2.) I imagine some of the basement graders probably work that way.
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 Posted 08/15/2023  09:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't tell from those images.
But I believe the grading of Chain Cents is "different" than later issues.
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That must be the case, becuase VG10 seems quite a stretch.
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I know the graders tend to be more lenient on early coppers but VG-10 for this does seem like a stretch. My only thought is that maybe the photography is obscuring the details on the obverse. Perhaps it looks better in hand.
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No way could that be a VG10 coin, the obverse is basically a slick piece of copper.
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Part of the problem is very bad photography. If I isolate just the coin in a new tab and blow it up about 500% I do see the entire bust, it's not just a slick, but exactly how much if any detail is there I can't tell form the pictures.
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Maybe it's just me, but that slab looks sketchy as heck to me and combined with the price on it seems like a no brainer hard pass.
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This one is coming up at Long Beach sale (ironically in Dallas) in a couple of weeks and looks pretty nice. It is also the S-1 which is the earliest and my favorite variety.

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This one didn't straight grade but was pretty nice and sold on Monday this week for $13,800.

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