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 Posted 08/17/2023  05:15 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Raynac to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello!

I was for fun thinking about ordering a roll of coins fresh from the mint, cutting it open and submitting it for grading.

I fully expect it to not be worth it financially, but it seems like a fun exercise to get me exposed to the grading world and seeing how modern coins hold up. maybe they would be worth something to the next gen.

Anyways I see there is lots of discussion about the different companies and their grading habits (some wont grade above 68 others will etc) but I didnt see anything about how they did specifically with brand new modern coins. do we know who has the best system for modern submissions?
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 Posted 08/17/2023  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think that what you plan is a very expensive lesson on coin grading and companies. Each company grades a little different with different parameters. The cost alone would kill you for paying for grading and shipping on essentially worthless coins. Just go to a couple good coin-grading sites and study and there are a few. Then look at all the credible auctions with good photography. Why give those companies who propaganda-ize newbies thinking that the only coin worth keeping or selling is a certified one?
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 Posted 08/17/2023  09:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A fascinating exercise! I would suggest selecting 10 new such coins to each of CCCS, PCGS and ICCS and then comparing the results. I find it hard to believe they would be all that different but it would be an interesting, Ralph Nader-type experiment in quality control.

I just submitted ~20 relatively high value NFLD coins to CCCS. Will post the results...
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 Posted 08/17/2023  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a foolish idea that proves absolutely nothing.
Coins in mint rolls will grade randomly no two rolls will be the same.
Listen to okiecoiner, don't waste your money.
Learn to grade for yourself.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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 Posted 08/17/2023  11:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add purelywasted to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To be honest, I would skip that. Personally I love it when people do it because I can pickup nice ms 66-68 graded coins for less than cost of a grading submission.

It could be a good learning experience, but probably an expensive one. If you are going to do it, skip the mint they charge a premium for roles. Go to a bank and get a couple boxes of rolls and sort through that to find your best coins. That will be your experience for grading, one roll won't do much if looking for high grade.

Pcgs/ngc are probably best bet if you can get enough to build a enough high grade coins to make a bulk submission. Remember it will take a ton of rolls to get enough high grades for submission.

Good luck!
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 Posted 08/17/2023  11:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am drawn to foolish ideas....
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 Posted 08/17/2023  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The only way to truly do the @Silver101 experiment would be to submit the same coins to each TPG and crack them out in between. A very expensive experiment.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Check Brandmeister's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Brandmeister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a legitimately terrible idea. It is expensive—the TPGs cost a lot of money, and so does shipping and insurance. It is pointless—a brand new coin with a high grade will not necessarily sell for the published auction prices because those seem to be unusual situations. It is also subject to the considerable quality control differences of the Mint itself.

Just this weekend I opened a U.S. Mint roll of 2000-P Sacagawea coins. I had it tucked away in a box for 23 years. Every single coin had a strike mark on the exact same star on the reverse. Every. Single. Coin. It must have been some kind of ejection problem during minting, and because all the coins in that roll were pulled from the same batch. If you randomly open a Mint roll and submit it, you could very easily have 20 coins with an identical flaw that kills the grade.

Seems much better and more efficient to learn grading and coin selection, and then submit for grading with great discretion.
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 Posted 08/17/2023  8:53 pm  Show Profile   Check datadragon's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add datadragon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some good replies you received - In addition to the variable conditions as mentioned, most modern coins generally have values even when graded that are less than the grading fees with only the exception that the very top grade only usually in some cases can have a current value above total grading costs. In other words the money you pay for the grading itself is lost unless your coin comes back with a grade that gives it a higher value than all those fees.

Some people do look over the price guides looking for these opportunities (of top grade being of high value) and then try their best to identify coins from places like rolls and mint sets that might hit that grade and then submit them (not a random roll without inspection). This is a form of gambling as if its not coming back in that top grade it will be money lost and people like purelywasted above and some sellers I know pick these graded coins up below what it would cost them to submit them (without even guaranteeing they would get that grade).

You can even actually check the census to see just how many are actually graded in that higher value grade ahead of time (i.e. a single coin in the top grade that holds a higher value would mean a remote chance of your submitted coin actually coming back in that grade, while hundreds in that grade may suggest its at least possible to find). For fun you could try your hand at a few rather than guarantee to lose sending in many at once that are all not going to be likely the top grade, but I don't see any reason to try just sending them otherwise for the reasons you stated as all TPGs grade moderns and should relatively be accurate with some variance in the grader skills at times. Maybe if it were a roll of something like -S mint from the 3 roll sets that have demand just for being lower mintage but typical clad coinage is mostly face value.

For learning on moderns the closest thing I have done like that for fun was try to find a 2017-p Roosevelt dime with full torch in MS68 as the value was $40 and MS67 was still break evenish at $25 with NGC. I ended up with a MS67FT I still have here but if I were to have sent in entire rolls to find that it would have been a huge money loss if I didnt cherrypick the very best of the best of the roll and just send a few. The best times to grade are when multiple grades that are likely possible are all over the value of the grading fees, and avoid those situations like I mentioned where only the very top grade is high especially when theres only 1 or 2 in the census at that grade. Save your money to grade other coins that are worthwhile, like when I bought a 2021-cc Morgan dollar it turned out that graded could add more value than raw so I'm sending it in shortly. Even better would have been if it were a 2021-D where all grades are worthwhile but if it were a rare 70 could be worth 3x the value therefore worth grading to see.
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 Posted 08/18/2023  12:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Raynac to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah the feed back has been great.

I was looking at pcg and the price for moderns seems to be $17 a coin (before shipping and other stuff) which while expensive for something that may never recover that value... is certainly less than I lost learning how to trade stocks my first time or do crypto currency. I highly value the knowledge I gained from those endeavors.

Maybe what I will do is not send the whole batch my first time and throw in an older coin I believe has some value to make it worth while.
The roll I would be submitting would also not be purely standard coins.It would be these black Toonies commemorating the passing of the Queen. I am hoping that will help them gain value over time as a novelty. maybe in 20 years I will be able to earn my money back. better than I can say for my crypto experiment.
https://www.mint.ca/en/shop/coins/2...elizabeth-ii
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