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I still have trouble understanding what is better. For example a coin grade MS 67 vs Proof 67.
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These are two different grades. The PR-67 is a much higher grade the the MS-67. Plus they are for two separate type of coins MS are for the normal type of struck coins, while proof coins are struck by a different process.
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It is not a matter of what is better because those grades refer to two completely different coins. A business strike coin(i.e. one meant for circulation and/or struck under normal conditions) can never have a proof grade and a proof coin can never have an MS grade. Proof is a particular type of coin minting style, it has nothing to do with grade- once a proof, always a proof regardless of whether it has wear or not. Once a business strike coin has been worn, it is no longer a mint state/uncirculated coin.

Proofs are struck with higher than normal pressure and are struck twice so they have squared off rims and a higher level of detail in addition to occasional minor design differences. The dies and planchets for striking proofs are polished before the coin is struck so the coin itself has a reflective mirrored finish.

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Both proof and business strike grading utilize the 1-70 numerical Sheldon scale but the grading criteria are different for the two minting processes
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The grade of 67 is the same for either PF-Proof or MS-Business strike which means coins meant for circulation, they are the same numerical level of preservation just the only difference is type of coin PF or MS. I hope this helps
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Quote: These are two different grades. The PR-67 is a much higher grade the the MS-67.

Mint State 67 refers to a business strike coin intended for circulation as opposed to one made specifically for collector purposes.

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coins92. Not sure what you mean by better. Already many explanations of the meaning of MS and PR so hopefully that is what your looking for. By better did you mean which is more desirable or which is more valuable? As noted already though, this is a difficult thing to say if for value since it is comparing two different coins.
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Thanks Carl, I meant which is more desirable.
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