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Another 1809 Half Cent (PCGS Vs You)-Do You Think It's A High Quality Type Coin?

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Not my coin, and sorry for the poor pictures--these are the only ones I have, though. What do you all think of this coin as a type coin? As always thanks so much for your time and your opinions.

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Quite sharp, has some color left on the obverse. Looks mid-high AU. Later die state of C-2, I believe, but I don't have my books here.

There is some black spotting on the obverse (not uncommon for the series), a line of some sort above the neck hair curl, and a slight old scratch on the chin, all nitpicky little issues that probably wouldn't matter.

The thing that would keep this one out of a higher end type set for me is the stained reverse.

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Outstanding obverse strike. Seems easily AU-58 to me -- although there would be a small details risk if you slabbed it. TPGs sometimes react badly to coloration issues.
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 Posted 08/28/2023  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say AU-58. Lovely.
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the staining does affect eye appeal but I found several graded by PCGS that have some staining. it looks like it affects the sale price but not the grade. the strike is quite nice with just a little weakness in the rev from K9-K11.

I don't see any signs of circulation. I'm at MS61 on this one. what needs to be evaluated is how the coin fits into the collection. for my type set, I went for the best example of the series I could find that fit my budget so they are not consistent in grade. some folks attempt to maintain grade standards.
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I don't see any wear either, but I am not very good with copper. I think it is an attractive example.
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I agree with paralyse about the stained reverse. But otherwise I see an ms64 coin. Not sure how the staining affects the grade if at all.
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Thanks, everyone. This one is in an MS(62) holder. Yeah, I agree that the staining might distract me, and I should only for a coin I will really enjoy looking at.
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I would have not guessed 62. The reverse is super clean, free of chatter and the obverse is relatively nice as well.
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Staining would not affect the sharpness grade (from an EAC point of view) but would affect the net grade.

I can only speak for myself, but when I was working on my type set in earnest, I really only wanted to have the coins that were choice in their grade, whatever that grade may have been. In other words, I'd rather have had a superb AU58 Half Cent with great color and surfaces than a coin which was TPG slabbed at MS63 but had staining, spotting, or other issues.

I do think that the TPG assigned grade of MS62 is fair for the coin, despite my earlier opinion of high AU, which was more of an "eyeball" grade and less of a "deep study" grade.

Not all early copper planchets were uniform in color, of course. Some of the staining or even all of it might have been present already on the very day the coin was struck. It's just a matter of personal preference as to what sort of coins you're looking for, and what sort of set you're building.
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