Help With 1964-D Nickel (Mint Mark Of 1963 Variety)

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Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6464 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 02:16 am Tonight I was reading about the mint mark variety on the 1964-D Jefferson nickel. Apparently some scarce 1964 nickels use the D mint mark that was only in use for 1963. Can someone explain the key differences on that era of D mint marks? I gather that the correct 1964 mark has two little horns on the corners of the D. But there is a tremendous variation of Denver mint marks on 1964 nickels, and often quite a lot of die wear. How does one correctly distinguish between 1963 and 1964 Denver D mint marks? https://www2.briansvarietycoins.com...p/view/13285 http://www.varietyvista.com/04a%20J...20Styles.htm http://www.varietyvista.com/07%20Ro...20Styles.htm My Finds: 1944-D 1c FS-101 / 1941-S 5c FS-501 / 1946-S 1c IMM FS-501 / 2001-P 25c WDDR-003 / 1946 5c FS-801 / 2020-P 5c WDDR #1 / 2020-P 5c WDDR #2 / 2019-P 5c WDDR-004 / 2019-P 5c WDDR-048 / 2014-P 5c WDDR-015 / 2020-P VDDR-003 / 1938 5c WDDR-003 Report this Post to the Staff

SamCoin Pillar of the Community United States 3237 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 02:38 am Wish I could tell you, this is one that's frustrated me for years. I can not tell what the supposed difference is (and I think of myself as someone who's pretty darn good at identifying very minor varieties in general!) Edited by SamCoin 09/11/2023 02:39 am Report this Post to the Staff
nick10 Pillar of the Community United States 3207 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 10:43 am ditto what Sam wrote "scarce 1964 nickels" now there's a word combo I never expected to see Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 94908 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 11:00 am Well, this is an interesting subject. I nave noticed the subtle differences of the 2. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6464 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 11:57 am Yeah, it's a challenge. One of the things you learn pretty quickly is that even the mint mark guides often have part of the mint mark in shadow. The differences between the letters are quite subtle. I did a survey of the 1964 Denver mint marks that I had in my jar. Below are the results, plus two that seem noticeably different from each other. My Finds: 1944-D 1c FS-101 / 1941-S 5c FS-501 / 1946-S 1c IMM FS-501 / 2001-P 25c WDDR-003 / 1946 5c FS-801 / 2020-P 5c WDDR #1 / 2020-P 5c WDDR #2 / 2019-P 5c WDDR-004 / 2019-P 5c WDDR-048 / 2014-P 5c WDDR-015 / 2020-P VDDR-003 / 1938 5c WDDR-003 Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6464 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 2:48 pm Ok, in the tradition of Coop, I decided to make a reference image for the 1963-D vs. 1964-D Jefferson nickel mint marks. I used the mint state examples from the PCGS site to survey the Denver mint marks. A few have Machine Doubling marks, but I think it's helpful to see the imperfect D as well. Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6464 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 3:22 pm This is a much better version of the survey above. All the images are cropped around the mint marks. Hope this helps someone in the future! 1964-D Jefferson nickel mint mark survey: My Finds: 1944-D 1c FS-101 / 1941-S 5c FS-501 / 1946-S 1c IMM FS-501 / 2001-P 25c WDDR-003 / 1946 5c FS-801 / 2020-P 5c WDDR #1 / 2020-P 5c WDDR #2 / 2019-P 5c WDDR-004 / 2019-P 5c WDDR-048 / 2014-P 5c WDDR-015 / 2020-P VDDR-003 / 1938 5c WDDR-003 Report this Post to the Staff
nick10 Pillar of the Community United States 3207 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 3:41 pm unsure why your Nickel 1964-D mint marks image includes two 1963 nickel obverses Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6464 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 4:11 pm I should re-label it. The top row is 1963-D mint marks. The second row is 1964-D mint marks. The purpose is to help identify the differences between the two styles, and detect when the 1963-D mark was used on 1964-D nickels. Eventually I think this will become a short article. The raw material will be much better presented. Does anyone know how to get access to the CONECA information on this variety? Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6464 Posts	Posted 09/11/2023 4:30 pm This is a good example of why mint marks are my nemesis. That particular 1964-D mint mark looks like Nickel MMS-001 or Wheat cent MMS-002 (which are actually probably the same mint mark). The squared off, parallel serifs do not look like any of the subsequent pointed serifs. According to the Variety Vista reference, neither of those mint mark punches was in use within a decade of 1964. Sometimes I think the mint mark puncher guys just picked up whatever punch was available and used it. Also, possibly the engravers felt no particular obligation to be very precise about the punch making. Honestly, both scenarios probably make practical sense, because who was ever going to look at Denver mint marks under a microscope? They made over a billion nickels in 1964, it was probably sheer madness at the mint. This could also just be a D mint mark deformed by a damaged punch, Die Deterioration, or some other factor. http://www.varietyvista.com/04a%20J...20Styles.htm http://www.varietyvista.com/09d%20W...20Styles.htm Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6464 Posts	Posted 09/13/2023 6:26 pm Started with my usual 10 rolls of nickels today. Found five 1964-D. Sure enough, I had four with the typical curved 1964-D mint mark, and one with a totally flat back. Then it occurred to me to look at NGC instead of PCGS. NGC 1962-D 5c Registry NGC 1963-D 5c Registry NGC 1964-D 5c Registry If you check out the reverses of the full size pictures, you can clearly see the difference between the standard 1962 vs. 1963 vs. 1964 Denver mint mark. Edited by Brandmeister 09/13/2023 6:26 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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