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Value: Which Side Takes Precedence(Clarity Affecting Price)?

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 Posted 09/21/2023  12:48 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add HermesPan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
For ancient coins, which side has more weight in determining value?

Specifically, I mean obverse versus reverse, also monarch/animal versus symbols? I do not know what the general rule is. On most coins I see offered for sale one of the other will be superior.

Context: I collect ancient Indian coins, not western (though the argument could be made that Greek coins in India are western)
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I don't think there is any specific rule to putting a valuation on ancient coins apart from rarity and desirability and condition. I personally like certain Roman silver coins with nice detail and good flow lines and will pay decent money for them, whereas someone else would prefer nice chunky bronze coins. I guess there are probably rules relating to 'grade' but I find all that a bit over the top for me and just prefer to class coins as culls, as dug, uncleaned, cleaned with detail, cleaned with good detail, etc.
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@herm, first welcome to CCF. Second, I'll take a swing at answering your question, but I'm looking forward to seeing others' replies too.

I personally place a higher preference for clarity on the details relating to date, mint, ruler, etc that help to properly attribute the coin. For coins with none of those characteristics, then I would prioritize a specific design element. For example, when I bought an Athenian Tet, I prioritized a clear owl over Athena's portrait. .
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Very interesting topic, also looking forward to future replies.
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It does depend on the series in question. As a rule, you want a clear inscription, naming the city or ruler of issue. Greek coins have the important inscriptions on the reverse, Roman coins have the important inscriptions on the obverse. Roman Provincial coins have the emperor's name on the obverse and the city name on the reverse, so you kind of need both.

I have a couple of off-centre Roman coins from scarce emperors where the emperor's name is off-the-flan. Got them much cheaper than I would have had to pay if the emperor's name were present and readable.
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Thank you all for your replies - and so quick!

I collect based on several factors and in this approximate order...

Priority I, essential

01. Gut feeling: totally irrational. Does the coin 'speak' to me?
02. Trust: in the seller, his/her reputation among numismatists and my previous purchases
03. Clarity and simplicity: I like purity of image more than beauty of image. I like geometry more than calligraphy, naturist symbols rather than script. I react negatively to complicated images. Give me one symbol done very well rather than six symbols and praise of the issuer done OK

Priority II, important

04. Beauty: I don't necessarily mean symmetry or even art in general. Difficult to quantify and qualify.
05. History of the type of coin: Is it a period of history that I enjoy reading about?
06. Lack of political overtones: I avoid images of monarchs and State symbols, preferring religious imagery (Buddhist, Hindu, other) - tree in railing, hills, swirls, conches, tridents, svastikas etc
07. Size: the bigger the better
08. Scripts: Indic scripts readable by scholars. I am fond of Brahmi and Kharoshti more than Devanagari.

Priority III, valuable

09. Value: other similar coins are selling for much more
10. Concentrated value: I prefer to have one coin worth $500 rather than ten coins worth $50, both for aesthetic and business reasons (the former collection is more portable and less work to sell, presumably)
11. Rarity: But, a beautiful large coin that is not rare is my preference to a coin that is ugly, boring and rare
12. Oddities: mystery republics and kingdoms, uncertainty as to what it even is or from where
13. Fits my collection: greater 'India'-focused. As much as I like coins from Kiev-Rus (and other Orthodox Christian States) or Hungarian (and other Catholic States), I don't want to spend a million years trying to sell or arrange gifting individual coins that don't fit. I would rather, find someone who in 12-18 years who wantrs everything I have collected. A matter of time-management.
14. History of the individual coin: provenance, ideally documented. Person A sold it on date B to company C., and as far down the line as recording is possible.

This is why I collect punch marked silver from the Japanpadas and other ancient Indian coins. I collect a few Mughal coins but generally have minimal interest in coins produced after the Puranic age.
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